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my brain hurts.....

the point that I derive, here, is that cooler heads will prevail.
A wise guy once said, "Don't lose your head, your brain's in there!"
I think that's a purdy good way to look at this situation.

txinvestigator wrote:To this day I have no idea what his problem was.

Oh, I do...

GSchretter

In your case, that specific Cabela's employee certainly overplayed his role. Who knows, he may even be an anti. In any case, he needs a new job or an education and attitude adjustment so he knows what he can and cannot do in the future. Unfortunately for you, the store manager will likely not be able to do anything about this situation now.

I like to go to that Cabela's when I visit family in Fort Worth. Each time I have visited, I carried with hip holster with large overshirt. No employee noticed, or at least, said anything.

Your choice of the hip pack played a role in this confrontation. Since that pack is designed for handgun carry, it was a signal to the attentive, but badly behaving employee to intercept you. You were "profiled".

Something for you to think about:

If the a retail store employee made an educated guess about you because of a specific piece of equipment, is it likely that bad guys could make a similar conclusion? Bad guys are not always dumb, but are usually devious and dangerous. This is a good opportunity to re-evaluate your methods.

stevie_d_64 wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:To this day I have no idea what his problem was.

Oh, I do...

Popshot wrote:GSchretter

In your case, that specific Cabela's employee certainly overplayed his role. Who knows, he may even be an anti. In any case, he needs a new job or an education and attitude adjustment so he knows what he can and cannot do in the future. Unfortunately for you, the store manager will likely not be able to do anything about this situation now.

I like to go to that Cabela's when I visit family in Fort Worth. Each time I have visited, I carried with hip holster with large overshirt. No employee noticed, or at least, said anything.

Your choice of the hip pack played a role in this confrontation. Since that pack is designed for handgun carry, it was a signal to the attentive, but badly behaving employee to intercept you. You were "profiled".

Something for you to think about:

If the a retail store employee made an educated guess about you because of a specific piece of equipment, is it likely that bad guys could make a similar conclusion? Bad guys are not always dumb, but are usually devious and dangerous. This is a good opportunity to re-evaluate your methods.

I was a Texas LEO from 1987 to 1995. It is very easy for me to spot an off-duty officer and many times a CHL by the gear they are wearing. You see Rocky tactical boots, the S&W knife clip in the pocket, and the angle of the right elbow when we think we're just hanging out and relaxing. I did it, too, and had to conciously work at blending in after friends and family started pointing out how I 'telegraphed my command presence' when I was off duty. The fanny pack is typically a dead give-away. A fisherman's shirt over a t-shirt with a quality shoulder holster is the best option I've found.

tfrazier wrote:

Popshot wrote:GSchretter

In your case, that specific Cabela's employee certainly overplayed his role. Who knows, he may even be an anti. In any case, he needs a new job or an education and attitude adjustment so he knows what he can and cannot do in the future. Unfortunately for you, the store manager will likely not be able to do anything about this situation now.

I like to go to that Cabela's when I visit family in Fort Worth. Each time I have visited, I carried with hip holster with large overshirt. No employee noticed, or at least, said anything.

Your choice of the hip pack played a role in this confrontation. Since that pack is designed for handgun carry, it was a signal to the attentive, but badly behaving employee to intercept you. You were "profiled".

Something for you to think about:

If the a retail store employee made an educated guess about you because of a specific piece of equipment, is it likely that bad guys could make a similar conclusion? Bad guys are not always dumb, but are usually devious and dangerous. This is a good opportunity to re-evaluate your methods.

I was a Texas LEO from 1987 to 1995. It is very easy for me to spot an off-duty officer and many times a CHL by the gear they are wearing. You see Rocky tactical boots, the S&W knife clip in the pocket, and the angle of the right elbow when we think we're just hanging out and relaxing. I did it, too, and had to conciously work at blending in after friends and family started pointing out how I 'telegraphed my command presence' when I was off duty. The fanny pack is typically a dead give-away. A fisherman's shirt over a t-shirt with a quality shoulder holster is the best option I've found.

You are correct but for a moment try to understand why I carry the bag.

You are correct when you see a fanny pack it could have a gun in it,
but I do not carry the bag for the gun but for a decoy.

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?, wrong, when the bad guys tries the grab the bag, I pull the real gun out of my pocket.

I am left handed and carry the bag in my right hand.

The bag is a decoy.

You are correct that I do need to carry a less tactical bag.
Especially when wearing danner black boots and black BDU, and carrying a benchmade knife in my pocket. ;)

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?

Or if it's a "very bad guy" he will see the bag and just shoot you right then...

CHL/LEO wrote:

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?

Or if it's a "very bad guy" he will see the bag and just shoot you right then...

True and if he did not see a bag then he would also just shot you too.

Oh and I guess if you had one of those camera jackets on or had your shirt untuck then he would in no way try anything.

GSchretter wrote:
You are correct but for a moment try to understand why I carry the bag.

You are correct when you see a fanny pack it could have a gun in it,
but I do not carry the bag for the gun but for a decoy.

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?, wrong, when the bad guys tries the grab the bag, I pull the real gun out of my pocket.

I am left handed and carry the bag in my right hand.

The bag is a decoy.

You are correct that I do need to carry a less tactical bag.
Especially when wearing danner black boots and black BDU, and carrying a benchmade knife in my pocket. ;)

This is certainly your option, but to me it is endangering innocents because of your bravado..

Basically, it appears that you are trying to invite an altercation by whatever means you can . Sounds like you are chomping at the bit to shoot someone. Why not walk around with a stack of bills hanging out of your shirt pocket? That way stupid bad guys will attack you. And I'm sure you can handle every scenario that arises as you tempt the baddest of the bad to take you on...

To me, the safest place to be is Ft Worth Cabelas, because you won't be there.

O6nop wrote:

GSchretter wrote:
You are correct but for a moment try to understand why I carry the bag.

You are correct when you see a fanny pack it could have a gun in it,
but I do not carry the bag for the gun but for a decoy.

A bad guy will think the same thing. Hey, that guy has a bag must be a gun in it. Grab the bag and we got him. Right?, wrong, when the bad guys tries the grab the bag, I pull the real gun out of my pocket.

I am left handed and carry the bag in my right hand.

The bag is a decoy.

You are correct that I do need to carry a less tactical bag.
Especially when wearing danner black boots and black BDU, and carrying a benchmade knife in my pocket. ;)

This is certainly your option, but to me it is endangering innocents because of your bravado..

Basically, it appears that you are trying to invite an altercation by whatever means you can . Sounds like you are chomping at the bit to shoot someone. Why not walk around with a stack of bills hanging out of your shirt pocket? That way stupid bad guys will attack you. And I'm sure you can handle every scenario that arises as you tempt the baddest of the bad to take you on...

To me, the safest place to be is Ft Worth Cabelas, because you won't be there.

Good to hear. Last thing I want is to see another liberal flapping his jaws about how people should dress and or act.

Please stay and hide in your home from life, no one will miss you.

If you look like you are ready for a fight they will leave you alone. If you are not paying attention and not ready for any kind of issue then you will become another sheep.

Oh ask any CHL instructor or police officer they will tell you the same thing.

Sorry I want to be a dog not a sheep in life.

I guess we have another troll running around.

Gentlemen, You may respectfully disagree with each other's opinion on issues but personal attacks will not be tolerated. Stop.

Steve

The employee's actions were inappropriate. Had he confronted me in that manner, I would refuse to allow him to "inspect" my belongings or impede my entry into the store, and requested a manager so I could report him.

As far as you carrying a bag/ Fanny Pack as a "decoy" !?!
I really don't understand your thought process on that one, but to each his own I guess .

I took my first trip to Cabelas in Ft. Worth this weekend.

I was quite disappointed. The prices seemed high, even though the selection seems good. Their price the Savage and Remington i'm looking at was wayt above what I thought was fair. Their selection of "normal" ammo is also quite lacking, but if I ever need .204 Ruger, or .338 Laupa, or other interesting brands, I know I can go there. Paying $10.99 for 50 WWB 9mm seems odd to me.

The gun library was a lot of fun to look at, though. I saw plenty of rifles i'll never be able to afford, but at least I can gawk at them.

Oh, and I had no problem carrying concealed; nobody bothered me at all.

I apologize for being disrespectful, or sarcastic, but the story changes with each post. The first post stated he was disturbed by the man at the front thinking that he was carrying a concealed firearm, yet he wants the bad guys to call him out. Can't have it both ways.

If I am wrong to think that as a law-abiding concealed handgun licensee,you should avoid confrontations rather than attempt some sort of 'sting operation' then I will cease.
Please, indulge me with the name of your CHL instructor so that I may be enlightened. I will gladly admit my error in self defense tactics if he confirmsyour statement.

GSchretter wrote:2. If I did exposed the gun then I should have been arrested right? Didn't you take the CHL class. I was told that if you expose your gun for any reason unless your life could end you will go to jail.

This statement gives me a warm feeling about your CHL instructor.

nitrogen wrote:I took my first trip to Cabelas in Ft. Worth this weekend.

I was quite disappointed. The prices seemed high, even though the selection seems good. Their price the Savage and Remington i'm looking at was wayt above what I thought was fair. Their selection of "normal" ammo is also quite lacking, but if I ever need .204 Ruger, or .338 Laupa, or other interesting brands, I know I can go there. Paying $10.99 for 50 WWB 9mm seems odd to me.

The gun library was a lot of fun to look at, though. I saw plenty of rifles i'll never be able to afford, but at least I can gawk at them.

Oh, and I had no problem carrying concealed; nobody bothered me at all.

I guess I can't say anything about the Ft. Worth Cabelas, but I frequent the one in Buda and have visited the one in Sydney, NE and the one in Kansas City. It's like anyplace else, you look for those rare 'good deals'. I've picked up a few odds and ends that I thought I paid a good price for and being a member, I get a lot of discounts.
My latest purchase was a used 9mm Star M-43 Firestar. It came with the original box, gun specific tools and a cleaning kit along with two mags. $225.00. Might not have been the deal of all deals, but it's something I wanted. Other offers I got were receiving $150 gift card for a $500 purchase, and a $30 gift card with no minimum purchase.. I don't think I'm a minority in appreciating Cabelas, otherwise there wouldn't be like 20 stores across the country.