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Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:55 pm
by stevie_d_64
RottenApple wrote:I experienced more violent road rage, including people trying to open my car doors...
I would think your vehicle door would be locked as the vehicle was in motion, then somehow you stopped at a traffic signal...If a threat like this occured, you have the option (and recomendation) to disengage...
At which point, if somehow the threat manages to open your door, then anything could happen...Right???
For the record, I am always reminded that when we are discussing these "what if's"...That the bottom line is that we have all decided to carry a firearm for lawful, self-defensive purposes...That means we shoudl always strive to review, understand and apply the knowledge we have obtained over the years to follow the law and the provisions we learn about the use of force and deadly force in "response" to a threat, that we have reasonably determined that force, or deadly force is necessary to stop that threat...
Anything we can do to avoid such an outcome should be explored...But I know it is hard to do in the immediacy of a real life situation...You may not have time to think through this because of the nature of the threat...Just strive to do your best...That is all that can be expected...
When all of us decided to obtain this state certification, it needed to come with the knowledge that simply, YOU have the tool to end ANY threat to you and those around you in a most decisive manner...With that tool comes gret responsibility, and most important accountability...You need to be prepared at all times when you strap that hog-leg on and carry in public...It is not a tool that gives YOU any leeway or excuse if you make a mistake, a lapse of judgement...
Be prepared, become a student of the law, and practice to the best of your abilities...And pass on what you know and understand, especially these days...
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:41 pm
by strider67
Kanuk wrote:strider67 wrote:Just out of curiosity, what was the 'for whatever reason' he was so upset about?

I was in a new area. I made a right on red when I did not see any cars. I did not realize it was a 55 Mph area, and a mustang came right up my rear. there was a semi next to me so I accelerated as quickly as I could and moved over.
Not saying I was not at fault, just concerned for my life right after that.
That's ridiculous they took it to that level. I drive to Dallas every day from Weatherford for work and I have seen it all. I think I may actually look in my rearview mirror more than out of my windshield...
dicion wrote: I pulled a small part of my drive home from work from my camera for ya to see it's quality.
Now that is cool

Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:09 pm
by The_Busy_Mom
Ericstac wrote:^^ some would say you instigated it by laying on the horn when it was really uncalled for. His actions were done so there was no need to alert him with a long annoying honk.
One night one a single lane country road I had this driver in front of me out of no where pull off the road in a hurry and slammed his breaks.. I was in shock and slowly went around seeing if he needed aid. As I passed he got back on the road and began tailgating hard and I ignored him just making a bankable comment to my wife. Then he proceeded to fly by me and cut me off and do the whole slamming of breaks thing in front of me so I passed him. He tailgates more so I pulled into a turn lane when I approached one and he rols by then slams on his breaks. At this point I was now in the mood so I took off and cut him off perpendicular so he couldn't move again except in reverse and I reached down to unbuckle so I could rush to this mans aid and realized my three kids were in the backseat. I lrealized at that point I'm endangering my family stupid and backed up and drove off the other direction and he waited then left.
I was shot at as a teenager for in a similar situation but but kids we got out and ran towards the car slamming the breaks in front of us and boy was that a mistake and it stays in my head every time something like this happens. It's best to just remove yourself from the situation even though you really feel like ramming this person.
Perhaps 'laid on the horn' is interpreted differently in my neck of the woods. Long, not really, and if you pull into my lane and run me into a car, what would you tell someone to do? Sit back and let it happen? It wasn't really over, and I, in no way, instigated anything. The OP was 'what would you do', and I answered what I did. I am not looking for blame. And it perturbs me that you would say I instigated anything, when someone else broke the law. I am the first one to admit my mistakes and correct my errors; however, I have no fault in this matter. And I would go to the police department/file a complaint again, just as I did before if the same thing were to happen. And unlike your situation, I did not engage after he ran me off the road, and I never had the emotional 'mood' to lower myself to his level. Cooler heads prevailed in my situation, without incident. And I will take credit for that.

TBM
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:19 am
by anygunanywhere
They put horns in cars for you to use just like lights and windshield wipers.
Anygunanywhere
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:51 am
by seamusTX
You put the headlights on when it's dark (or in a funeral procession). You put the wipers on when it's raining.
The only legal use of the horn is to immediately avoid a collision. It's not to wake up the neighborhood or otherwise express anger. It's not a substitute for going to the door for lazy people.
I don't even know if the horn on my car still works. I think they check it at inspection.
While I'm on a well-earned rant (not having a traffic ticket since 1982), this stuff about "breaking the law" seems rather subjective. The speed limit is a law. Inspection stickers, insurance, registration, and license plates are laws. They are not that hard to conform to. If you don't like them, write to your state representatives.
- Jim
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:31 am
by anygunanywhere
seamusTX wrote:You put the headlights on when it's dark (or in a funeral procession). You put the wipers on when it's raining.
The only legal use of the horn is to immediately avoid a collision. It's not to wake up the neighborhood or otherwise express anger. It's not a substitute for going to the door for lazy people.
I don't even know if the horn on my car still works. I think they check it at inspection.
While I'm on a well-earned rant (not having a traffic ticket since 1982), this stuff about "breaking the law" seems rather subjective. The speed limit is a law. Inspection stickers, insurance, registration, and license plates are laws. They are not that hard to conform to. If you don't like them, write to your state representatives.
- Jim
I baited. You bit. Good morning Jim!
Anygunanywhere
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:00 am
by seamusTX
anygunanywhere wrote:I baited. You bit. Good morning Jim!
Buenos dias, amigo

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There's nothing like a good rant in the morning. BTW, if I sleep until my alarm clock goes off at 6, I might be sick. I was out this morning admiring the just-past-full moon and the sun rising over the Pleasure Pier. It's a beautiful day, thank God.
I wish everyone a happy Easter. If you don't celebrate Easter, there is always Passover or whatever pagan festival you may honor. I'm ecumenical.
- Jim
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:28 am
by suthdj
dicion wrote:Kanuk wrote:dicion wrote:Keith B wrote:EEllis wrote:
Dashcam.
I got mine for $70,
Where does one get a $70 dashcam? is it forward and rearward?
And how have you used it? Can I produce it as evidence?
Mine is forward and audio only, but there are models that do both, as well as track GPS position and speed, but after long hard thought, I didn't need all that stuff.
Even if the camera is simply looking forward & recording audio, it is usable to show what you were doing, even if the other car isn't visible. Eg, if you get sideswiped, and the other driver claims you changed lanes into them, the camera will show you were just driving straight when you got hit, etc.
I have not personally done this yet, but I know a friend of mine who had some guy hit him while he was driving, and tried to start something when they pulled over. My friend pointed at the camera, and told the guy 'dashcam', which shut him up immediately and caused him to back off.
You can produce anything you want as evidence in court, if it gets that far, but the real beauty of it is, if I'm ever in an accident, and the officer comes to me asking what happened, I can go "here officer, let me SHOW you what happened", since it has a display, and can instantly playback whatever it just recorded, right there, on the spot. In addition, it makes a nice submission to any insurance claim, and I'm sure your insurance company will love you if you can produce video clearly showing another party at fault.
Mine is the first one on this page, the DVR027:
http://dashcamtalk.com/dash-cam-comparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I bought it via Ebay from one of the sellers with thousands of positive feedback.
I got it via a recommendation from a friend of mine who had one.
I have two, one for my car, one for the Wife's. Since I bought mine, two other friends of mine have bought the same one as well, and many others are considering one, and none have any complaints, all from the same place.
EDIT: I pulled a small part of my drive home from work from my camera for ya to see it's quality.
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Good tunes and quality vid..I used to use my smart phone as a dash cam, there are many apps out there that have all kinds of cool features and a mount for your phone is cheaper than a dash cam at times. That being said if you can afford it get a dash cam as it is so much easier.
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:31 am
by Redneck_Buddha
Very timely discussion. I was just looking at dash cams yesterday and was looking at getting a nice one with full HD and GPS. Any suggestions?
Never mind, just saw the suggestion above.
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:55 am
by dicion
suthdj wrote:
Good tunes and quality vid..I used to use my smart phone as a dash cam, there are many apps out there that have all kinds of cool features and a mount for your phone is cheaper than a dash cam at times. That being said if you can afford it get a dash cam as it is so much easier.
Indeed, Mine records 12 hours on a loop and doesn't require any input from myself to keep doing it's thing ;)
And $70 is much less than most people's deductable, or a speeding/red light/stopsign ticket that you can prove you didn't do.
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:03 pm
by stevie_d_64
dicion wrote:Mine is the first one on this page, the DVR027:
http://dashcamtalk.com/dash-cam-comparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I bought it via Ebay from one of the sellers with thousands of positive feedback.
OUTSTANDING!!!

Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:19 pm
by kg5ie
JALLEN wrote:Avoid the best you can while getting on 911 with description, license number, and location.
Usually when the idiot sees you on the phone, that discourages them from really serious nonsense. No guarantees.
At some point, if you really are endangered, you may have to consider your alternatives.
Call 911, give them a good description, license number, and direction of travel. Stay well behind the offender and turn on you flashers. Inform the operator you have them on. That helps the LEO know which cars are involved and who the reporter is. Once the perp is stopped...stop behind the officer's vehicle. Depending on how far you want to push it you may want to tell the officer you are making a citizen's arrest...but that is a topic for another discussion.
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:12 pm
by seamusTX
My policy: If the confrontation is terminated by the departure of either or both parties, let it go. As I already said somewhere, if you want to rid the world of evil, get a divinity degree.
The road rage idiot eventually will go after a gangster who will kill him without blinking, or an off-duty or plain-clothes cop with the obvious result.
- Jim
Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:12 pm
by texanjoker
People really need to stay out of road rages! I have responded to so many where "maybe" one party was innocent when it started, but both sides escalate into a bunch of drama and usually the looser,
who started it in the first place, then calls 911. I was at one that got so bad that when I went to arrest the first driver for battery (assault here in TX) he armed himself and said,
he wasn't going to be taken alive..when it was all over he was correct. It was my first OIS. All because two idiots got into it in the first place

Re: Road Rage WWUD?
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:15 pm
by texanjoker
Road rage in Austin today:
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/218311 ... e-incident" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;