"PRINTING": how much is too much?

[nyj]

Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

Please tie those to statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

Please use the word 'two' instead of 'to,' because it is not clear what you meant.

[Abraham]

nyj,

I'm curious as to why you consider the law on this subject lax?

Most conservatives I know aren't in favor of unnecessary law.

Generally speaking, there are many new, unnecessary laws on the books when simply enforcing the existing law would be adequate.

[bayouhazard]

How much is too much is something the jury may ultimately decide if you push the envelope. I think it's much cheaper to buy a good belt and holster. What the police don't see won't hurt me.

[suthdj]

Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

Please tie those to statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

Please use the word 'two' instead of 'to,' because it is not clear what you meant.

there added the "w" now your turn.

Please tie those two statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

[The Annoyed Man]

It always looks like a gun when you know it is a gun. Joe public doesn't see it, and if they do, they don't know for sure what it is. It could be an insulin pump, a cell phone, etc. It is part of being new to CHL. Over the next few months, the gun will shrink, your dress will change slightly whether that be longer shirts or a better holster etc. You won't feel like the gun is huge for long!!!

Exactly.

The vast majority of people are sheep. They aren't even observant enough to notice a crime taking place in the parking lot 20 yards away from themselves, let alone observant enough to notice a "bump" of some kind under your shirt. In the unlikely possibility that they did notice a bump, it would simply not occur to most of them to even wonder what it is. Everybody is busy, has a lot on their minds, and there are lots of distractions. It's just such a low-intensity phenomenon that their attention is simply not going to be drawn to it.

The only people who will likely A) notice the bump, and B) speculate that it might be a gun, are other people who carry guns. That pretty much limits it to CHLs, criminals, and cops......and each will react accordingly.

I always make a reasonably thorough effort to conceal, but I am sure that to someone observant enough and knowledgeable enough, there have probably been times when someone like that has spotted a bump under my shirt and speculated that I might be carrying a gun. Last Sunday in church, I realized at some point during the service that the left side of my shirt had ridden up a little bit, exposing the bottom inch or two of my holster. I was sitting on the left end of a row of seats, next to the aisle....so my holster/gun were on the aisle......hard to miss for someone looking for such things. In the end seat on the other side of the aisle and one row back from me was an off-duty cop who is a friend of mine. I mentioned it to him afterward. He hadn't noticed, and yet he had the perfect vantage point. There is no mistaking what my holster is. Anyone seeing the bottom edge of it would reasonably conclude that I was strapped. But my friend, a trained police officer who carries himself off-duty, did not notice it.....and that was worse than printing.

Some of my more recent posts about printing have sounded dismissive of people's concerns. I'm not dismissive. You should take care to avoid it as much as possible. BUT.... you should also realize that people in general just aren't going to notice a thing unless it is REALLY obvious—EVEN cops. What should be your take away?

1. Strap it on.
2. Cover it up.
3. Forget about it until you need it.

[ATDM]

Last Sunday in church, I realized at some point during the service that the left side of my shirt had ridden up a little bit, exposing the bottom inch or two of my holster. I was sitting on the left end of a row of seats, next to the aisle....so my holster/gun were on the aisle......hard to miss for someone looking for such things.

Since you mentioned the church, I wanted to ask you to clarify the rules about the CHL and churches that do NOT post a 30.06. I have heard two contradicting opinions on the interpretation of the law and have avoided carrying when I am in my church, but I would like to carry at all times to be ready to defend my family — you never know, when some anti-Christian nut may decide to shoot up the place. I know that the chances are slim, but if I relied on odds — I would not have gotten my CHL.

Thank you in advance, The Annoyed Man...

[The Annoyed Man]

Last Sunday in church, I realized at some point during the service that the left side of my shirt had ridden up a little bit, exposing the bottom inch or two of my holster. I was sitting on the left end of a row of seats, next to the aisle....so my holster/gun were on the aisle......hard to miss for someone looking for such things.

Since you mentioned the church, I wanted to ask you to clarify the rules about the CHL and churches that do NOT post a 30.06. I have heard two contradicting opinions on the interpretation of the law and have avoided carrying when I am in my church, but I would like to carry at all times to be ready to defend my family — you never know, when some anti-Christian nut may decide to shoot up the place. I know that the chances are slim, but if I relied on odds — I would not have gotten my CHL.

Thank you in advance, The Annoyed Man...

You are absolutely allowed by law to carry in church under the authority of a CHL, unless it is posted 30.06. In layman's terms:

1. The original wording of the law excluded houses of worship from concealed carry.
2. Later, 30.06 language was added to the law.
3. And then some time after that, the law was amended again to say that CHL in church is OK if the church is not posted 30.06.

[ATDM]

You are absolutely allowed by law to carry in church under the authority of a CHL, unless it is posted 30.06. In layman's terms:

1. The original wording of the law excluded houses of worship from concealed carry.
2. Later, 30.06 language was added to the law.
3. And then some time after that, the law was amended again to say that CHL in church is OK if the church is not posted 30.06.

Thanks for the info. This is exactly what I believed the law said, but because of one of my friends I was not sure about it and decided to err on the side of caution...

I know Jesus would be pro gun rights, based on my studies (I used to be a pastor)...

[The Annoyed Man]

The relevant law:

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER.

1. ......
2. A license holder commits an of fense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the
   authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
   
   1. ....
   2. ....
   3. ....
   4. ....
   5. ....
   6. on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
3. ....
4. ....
5. ....
6. ....
7. ....
8. ....
9. Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
   was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

[baldeagle]

The only people who will likely A) notice the bump, and B) speculate that it might be a gun, are other people who carry guns. That pretty much limits it to CHLs, criminals, and cops......and each will react accordingly.

Recently I was looking at myself in the mirror, which I always do before going outside to make sure i'm not too obvious, and I noticed something. There is no separation between my arm and my shirt on the firearm side but there is on the other. And I thought, ah hah! I may have actually figured out a way to tell is someone is carrying in the 3 or 9 o'clock position. I don't make a big deal out of it, but I do occasionally look at others to try to figure out if they're armed. I can't. Haven't tried this new technique yet though. In fact, I had forgotten about it until I read what you wrote.

And my classic example: I actually went to Pizza Hut one time with my weapon exposed. I had tucked my t-shirt behind it at home and completely forgot about it. I got out of the car and held the door for a lady who was coming out with pizzas in hand. I went inside, paid for my pizzas, turned around and carried them back to my car. Said hello to a couple entering as I was leaving. No one said a word. I honestly don't think anyone even noticed. (I obviously didn't.) As I was getting out of the car at my house, my arm bumped the weapon, as it often does, and I realized I was touching steel. I looked down and said, "Oh man! I can't believe I did that!"

Now you know why I always look in the mirror before leaving the house.

[ATDM]

The relevant law:

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE

[*] A license holder commits an of fense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:


[*] on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.[/list]

[*] Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.[/list]

Thank you for making it clear. That was my understanding, when I was studying the law; but it was muddied up a little by people eager to voice their opinions without properly knowing the subject. After 20 years of schooling (I am a physician), I still haven't learned the legalese; but you made it crystal clear in your opinion as well as your law reference backup.

Thanks.

[nyj]

Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

Please tie those to statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

Please use the word 'two' instead of 'to,' because it is not clear what you meant.

there added the "w" now your turn.

Please tie those two statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

You are certainly not one to be giving English lessons with your lack of punctuation use. Kind of amusing you pick a fight on a gun board about something so silly. Find something better to do with your time. Were those thoughts clear enough for you?

[suthdj]

Texas does have lax laws on the subject, because even if you do accidentally expose your weapon, you are not 'responsible' for any misconduct.

Please tie those to statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

Please use the word 'two' instead of 'to,' because it is not clear what you meant.

there added the "w" now your turn.

Please tie those two statements together to form a complete thought, it is not clear what you are meaning as stated.

You are certainly not one to be giving English lessons with your lack of punctuation use. Kind of amusing you pick a fight on a gun board about something so silly. Find something better to do with your time. Were those thoughts clear enough for you?

Really, you think I am picking a fight, sorry I have better things to do. I was being serious those 2 statements together make no sense without further explaination. All I was asking for was you to explain.

[nyj]

You can not be charged for any crime for an accidental exposure of your firearm.

How is that?

[RJGold]

The relevant law:

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE

[*] A license holder commits an of fense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:


[*] on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.[/list]

[*] Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.[/list]

Thank you for making it clear. That was my understanding, when I was studying the law; but it was muddied up a little by people eager to voice their opinions without properly knowing the subject. After 20 years of schooling (I am a physician), I still haven't learned the legalese; but you made it crystal clear in your opinion as well as your law reference backup.

Thanks.

It may be important to note that notice can be given without a 30.06 sign being posted (i.e you ask someone in authority at your church if it's ok to carry and they say no or notify you in writing). Not sure of your level of detail in this matter so excuse me if I am stating the obvious. Most on this forum would advise you that if it's not posted, carry but don't ask permission.