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jmra wrote: For the most part conservatives take the moral high ground/play by the rules. It's almost impossible to win any contest when the rules only apply to your team.
We are living on borrowed time.

You know I don't think we need to roll around in the mud. But we need to get real and stop playing with boxing gloves on when they have out the knives. They are for gun control fine.....construct an ad that show the top crime cities in American then have a lay over with there top strictest gun control...show gun control=more rape and murder. Get personal...say X candidate wants to disarm you and make you at risk of horrendous assault and murder while he has personal guards. I mention gun control because this is a gun forum. You can do the same thing on education, finance, sanctity of life, the abusive federal regulation which are nearly as bad as William the conqueror's forest law.


Do it again and again and again. Show the voters without any nuisance in terms no one can mistake the horror that the left wants to unleash on us. Don't be nice, they aren't. Don't lie, tell the WHOLE truth. Point out their lies with clarity and conviction.

As far as it being moral to do so, Jesus called the religious leaders white washed tombs with death and decay inside. He spoke the truth boldly. We must as well.

mamabearCali wrote:

jmra wrote: For the most part conservatives take the moral high ground/play by the rules. It's almost impossible to win any contest when the rules only apply to your team.
We are living on borrowed time.

You know I don't think we need to roll around in the mud. But we need to get real and stop playing with boxing gloves on when they have out the knives. They are for gun control fine.....construct an ad that show the top crime cities in American then have a lay over with there top strictest gun control...show gun control=more rape and murder. Get personal...say X candidate wants to disarm you and make you at risk of horrendous assault and murder while he has personal guards. I mention gun control because this is a gun forum. You can do the same thing on education, finance, sanctity of life, the abusive federal regulation which are nearly as bad as William the conqueror's forest law.


Do it again and again and again. Show the voters without any nuisance in terms no one can mistake the horror that the left wants to unleash on us. Don't be nice, they aren't. Don't lie, tell the WHOLE truth. Point out their lies with clarity and conviction.

As far as it being moral to do so, Jesus called the religious leaders white washed tombs with death and decay inside. He spoke the truth boldly. We must as well.

You can get all the graphic aids in the world to show but unless the world is watching it won't matter and since it seems the left holds the hands of the media, nobody is going to see them. What is most surprising is there is not any political violence....yet.

Use new media. Use flyers. Use you tube ads. The old media is dying anyway. The 18-30s are getting screwed by the leftist agenda. Black unemployment is a shambles. Show who is responsible for that and give a solution. If we are going to have a chance we must show the benefits of liberty and show the chains of tyranny for what they are.

Think about it in conjunction with this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2849165/

Obama, who has proposed changes to the nation's gun and mental illness laws, noted that shootings in other countries such as Australia and the United Kingdom led to changes in their gun laws. "What's different in America," he said, "is it's easy to get your hands on a gun -- and a lot of us know this."

This got by me at the time. Only became aware of the Australia/UK nudge when I got my latest American Rifleman. The Senate rule change plus the UK/Australia call out is the scariest thing I've seen all year.

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

PE?

suthdj wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

PE?

Professional Engineer.

Anygunanywhere

suthdj wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

PE?

Professional Engineer license. So essentially, you have to be fingerprinted and checked to work if your employer or employment requires a PE. Those pesky engineers, just one crime wave after another ---so something had to be done. My company already does background checks on employees, but now I have to get government approval to work here. If I could afford to retire I'd give up the license, and I'm seriously considering it anyway. Just a matter of time before anyone without a national ID and government approval can't work at any job. No fly list, then no gun list, then no work list. But hey, for illegals (sorry, undocumented Democrats), no ID to vote.

VMI77 wrote: Professional Engineer license. So essentially, you have to be fingerprinted and checked to work if your employer or employment requires a PE. Those pesky engineers, just one crime wave after another ---so something had to be done.

Join the parade. Almost any profession that is regulated has gone the photograph/fingerprint/background check routine: nurses (RN's) have to do it. Doctors have to do it. Teachers have to do it. CPA's might have to do it... They're not just picking on professional engineers, but if you feel it's wrong so much that you're willing to give up your license...

Is it right to do? I think the benefits outweigh the hassles the same way I did when I applied for my CHL.

n5wd wrote:

VMI77 wrote: Professional Engineer license. So essentially, you have to be fingerprinted and checked to work if your employer or employment requires a PE. Those pesky engineers, just one crime wave after another ---so something had to be done.

Join the parade. Almost any profession that is regulated has gone the photograph/fingerprint/background check routine: nurses (RN's) have to do it. Doctors have to do it. Teachers have to do it. CPA's might have to do it... They're not just picking on professional engineers, but if you feel it's wrong so much that you're willing to give up your license...

Is it right to do? I think the benefits outweigh the hassles the same way I did when I applied for my CHL.

Amazing how I've been an engineer for 30 years and it has only been found necessary today. But there are some differences between the professions you describe. My guess is that the Constitution destroying war on some drugs is the reason doctors and nurses have to do it....because they have access to "some drugs." Teachers are the victims of child abuse hysteria. It's just authoritarianism in any case, and goes against any reasonable notion of liberty.

I don't have access to drugs and don't work around children. I made the decision to be fingerprinted when I got my CHL.....the difference being it was MY choice to make --being able to work and eat wasn't an issue. I had also been fingerprinted when I entered the military....again, I didn't have to join the military, it was my choice. My other objection: for my CHL I was fingerprinted by a police officer and my prints went to law enforcement. Otherwise, the military has my prints. In this case though, they will be in the custody of a private company, and I have very little trust that this personal info won't be abused in some fashion. In other words, despite my overall distrust of government, I have more trust in the DPS, the FBI, and the military not to abuse my personal data than I do some private company.

Real estate and insurance agents have been required to provide them for as long as I can remember. Not saying it is right though.

VMI77 wrote:

n5wd wrote:

VMI77 wrote: Professional Engineer license. So essentially, you have to be fingerprinted and checked to work if your employer or employment requires a PE. Those pesky engineers, just one crime wave after another ---so something had to be done.

Join the parade. Almost any profession that is regulated has gone the photograph/fingerprint/background check routine: nurses (RN's) have to do it. Doctors have to do it. Teachers have to do it. CPA's might have to do it... They're not just picking on professional engineers, but if you feel it's wrong so much that you're willing to give up your license...

Is it right to do? I think the benefits outweigh the hassles the same way I did when I applied for my CHL.

Amazing how I've been an engineer for 30 years and it has only been found necessary today.

Then I presume you never worked for a DOD or NASA contractor. I would have to get re-printed every three years or so. I guess that they were afraid they might change.

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

I have to ask where and when this new background check mandate started for P.E.'s? I'm not a PE, personally, but as a Professional Land Surveyor I do partner with a few PE's. I've asked around a bit since this was posted and none of the PE's I work with have any knowledge of this, and one today said he had just renewed his license in the last month. He's curious to know about this new mandate. For what it's worth, none of us do any DoD or other projects that may require security clearance. Could that be where this BG check requirement comes in?

Given the silly license fees and other "business fees" the state is milking us surveyors out of now, I don't doubt one bit what you state may be true for all of us pretty soon.


JD

WildBill wrote:Then I presume you never worked for a DOD or NASA contractor. I would have to get re-printed every three years or so. I guess that they were afraid they might change.

When I got my CJIS and DHS "clearances" I had a good talk with the FBI agent who was charged with printing us, we talked about alteration of prints due to accident (me and saws have a bad habit of altering prints) and by design ala John Dillinger. He pointed out the identification points are still there but could take longer to correlate so for each new clearance and each renewal of same, they reprint.

As an interesting anecdote he told me of the flaws of the computerized print matching software that is used. He told of an applicant being accepted at Quantico but his prints kicked back another name with a criminal background. He was being looked at for charges until the I.D. experts noted that the "bad guy" was about 15 years older than the applicant and manually checked the prints which, as it turned out, had significant differences just in places other than the key points that the software matched. On top of that they verified the whereabouts of the "bad guy". He told me that surely they have rectified the problem by now...he hoped.

mr surveyor wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Here's an interesting and scary take on what's going on.

http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/every-d-c ... -registry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The noose keeps getting tighter and tighter, and not just in the liberal utopias. Now, in Texas, in order to keep your PE license, you have to be fingerprinted and go through a separate background check. Other checks, like for CHL, don't count. We're all criminals now, or soon will be.

I have to ask where and when this new background check mandate started for P.E.'s? I'm not a PE, personally, but as a Professional Land Surveyor I do partner with a few PE's. I've asked around a bit since this was posted and none of the PE's I work with have any knowledge of this, and one today said he had just renewed his license in the last month. He's curious to know about this new mandate. For what it's worth, none of us do any DoD or other projects that may require security clearance. Could that be where this BG check requirement comes in?

Given the silly license fees and other "business fees" the state is milking us surveyors out of now, I don't doubt one bit what you state may be true for all of us pretty soon.


JD

It doesn't apply to anyone renewing a license in 2013.....but applies beginning in 2014. From the email I got from the TBPE:

As you are aware from previous correspondence from the Board, the 83rd Texas Legislature (2013 session) made a change to the Texas Engineering Practice Act that requires a one-time Criminal History Record Check (CHRC) for all new license applications and renewals of Active licenses after January 1, 2014. We have been working hard to implement the recent legislative requirement and we are now ready to start.