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Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:01 am
by Jumping Frog
rotor wrote:The CDC says 100 people die of a drug overdose every day and 3/4 of these are prescription drug overdoses, not a junky with a needle in his arm. We care more about this case because we identify with him. We have seen him on the silver screen. Nobody cares about the other 99 that died yesterday. He made his choices and paid the penalty for bad choices. Let him rest in peace. We will never "win" a war on drugs. There will always be people who will abuse them. Laws don't change human nature.
Alcoholism deaths are also more than double the number of drug overdose deaths. Of course, no one is talking about banning alcohol (nor should we).
Liberty also means people can and do make stupid choices.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:35 am
by 03Lightningrocks
Jumping Frog wrote:rotor wrote:The CDC says 100 people die of a drug overdose every day and 3/4 of these are prescription drug overdoses, not a junky with a needle in his arm. We care more about this case because we identify with him. We have seen him on the silver screen. Nobody cares about the other 99 that died yesterday. He made his choices and paid the penalty for bad choices. Let him rest in peace. We will never "win" a war on drugs. There will always be people who will abuse them. Laws don't change human nature.
Alcoholism deaths are also more than double the number of drug overdose deaths. Of course, no one is talking about banning alcohol (nor should we).
Liberty also means people can and do make stupid choices.
Exactly correct!
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:38 am
by The Annoyed Man
rotor wrote:The CDC says 100 people die of a drug overdose every day and 3/4 of these are prescription drug overdoses, not a junky with a needle in his arm. We care more about this case because we identify with him. We have seen him on the silver screen. Nobody cares about the other 99 that died yesterday. He made his choices and paid the penalty for bad choices. Let him rest in peace. We will never "win" a war on drugs. There will always be people who will abuse them. Laws don't change human nature.
This ^^, which is why I won't dance on his grave.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:02 pm
by WildBill
I think that Philip Hoffman's death was sad, unnecessary and avoidable. Most drug overdoses are not publicized unless the deceased is a public figure. My biggest issue is when the press or fans try to promote the notion just because the person was famous or talented that the death was glamorous and they are deserving of some kind of cult status or hero worship. On the other hand, calling someone a junkie does the opposite by trying to portray them as less than human.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:23 pm
by rotor
WildBill wrote:I think that Philip Hoffman's death was sad, unnecessary and avoidable. Most drug overdoses are not publicized unless the deceased is a public figure. My biggest issue is when the press or fans try to promote the notion just because the person was famous or talented that the death was glamorous and they are deserving of some kind of cult status or hero worship. On the other hand, calling someone a junkie does the opposite by trying to portray them as less than human.
I use the term junkie to mean drug addict. You think "drug addict" makes him more human- fine. I think people become addicts because we are human, we have vices, failings, etc. We are not perfect.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:13 pm
by TomsTXCHL
I have always thought that the worst way to die would be "on the toilet". Yeah I know in this case he was just "in the toilet" but I do wonder if he could have foreseen his demise if that might have been enough to inspire him to get treatment.
Let us hope that his untimely death will cause one or more other people to think twice about their drug habit.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:33 pm
by WildBill
TomsTXCHL wrote:I have always thought that the worst way to die would be "on the toilet". Yeah I know in this case he was just "in the toilet" but I do wonder if he could have foreseen his demise if that might have been enough to inspire him to get treatment.
Let us hope that his untimely death will cause one or more other people to think twice about their drug habit.
I have been reading more about Philip Hoffman and his addictions to drugs and alcohol since in his 20s.
A sober and rational person would think twice about their drug habits and the potential bad outcomes.
However drug addicts of this severity are rarely thinking rationally.
Their addiction and desire to get high over-shadows considerations and consequences that effect their family members and friends.
Think Elvis Presley or Lenny Bruce.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:57 pm
by TomsTXCHL
I had to look-up his resume over at IMDB, and he was remarkably hard-working for an addict.
I was hoping his last movie was not "The Master" (**worse-than-terrible**) and thankfully it was not.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:44 pm
by Redneck_Buddha
TomsTXCHL wrote:I had to look-up his resume over at IMDB, and he was remarkably hard-working for an addict.
I was hoping his last movie was not "The Master" (**worse-than-terrible**) and thankfully it was not.
Because it really was a bad movie or you just don't like Scientology?
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:11 pm
by chasfm11
Drug deaths are tragic because they should be preventable. My prayers are with his family.
Whatever his talent on the screen, he was used to help Bloomberg's gun propaganda.
http://www.examiner.com/article/bloombe ... -gun-video
[youtube]youtube.com/watch?v=UKq9ZKZljlA[/youtube]
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:12 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Redneck_Buddha wrote:TomsTXCHL wrote:I had to look-up his resume over at IMDB, and he was remarkably hard-working for an addict.
I was hoping his last movie was not "The Master" (**worse-than-terrible**) and thankfully it was not.
Because it really was a bad movie or you just don't like Scientology?
....or because it was a bad movie about scientology?
I've actually be curious about that movie and had not seen it yet. But I've seen a number of his other roles, going all the way back to Patch Adams, and I always thought he was a very good actor. He was brilliant in Capote, for which he won an Oscar for best performance by a male actor.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:49 pm
by WildBill
The Annoyed Man wrote:Redneck_Buddha wrote:TomsTXCHL wrote:I had to look-up his resume over at IMDB, and he was remarkably hard-working for an addict.
I was hoping his last movie was not "The Master" (**worse-than-terrible**) and thankfully it was not.
Because it really was a bad movie or you just don't like Scientology?
....or because it was a bad movie about scientology?
I've actually be curious about that movie and had not seen it yet. But I've seen a number of his other roles, going all the way back to Patch Adams, and I always thought he was a very good actor. He was brilliant in Capote, for which he won an Oscar for best performance by a male actor.
Most of his notable roles have been playing eccentric characters, such as Truman Capote. My first recollection of Philip Seymour Hoffman was in his role in "Patch Adams" as the uptight medical student roommate of Robin Williams. He was also excellent as the CIA case officer in "Charlie Wilson's War". He will not be remembered as an actor for playing main steam roles , but he was quite a talent.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:03 pm
by Right2Carry
70 bags of heroin found with Seymour yet people want to make him out to be some kind of hero. SMH
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:13 pm
by Redneck_Buddha
Right2Carry wrote:70 bags of heroin found with Seymour yet people want to make him out to be some kind of hero. SMH
One would have to be utterly detached from reality to see him as a hero. He was obviously fatally flawed and completely failed his family miserably.
Re: Another Hollywood drug OD
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:17 am
by TomsTXCHL
Redneck_Buddha wrote:TomsTXCHL wrote:I had to look-up his resume over at IMDB, and he was remarkably hard-working for an addict.
I was hoping his last movie was not "The Master" (**worse-than-terrible**) and thankfully it was not.
Because it really was a bad movie or you just don't like Scientology?
I don't know Scientology from Astrology, but The Master sucked big-time; completely fails as Entertainment.
On the other hand, the Best Movie You Never Saw (Or Ever Heard Of Before) from the same guy Paul Thomas Anderson is "Magnolia". PSH was in that too and if you ever have 3 hours to kill it is entertaining from start-to-finish.