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Sure I did. I was just under the apparent misapprehension that the topic under discussion was TSA, a particular aspect of security with which your post had nothing to do.

We have a republic for a reason. It's better for liberty. Each state currently DOES handle the physical security of airports with the Feds providing the standards by which they must operate. That's why DFW Police patrol the terminal instead of the FBI or Marshals. Until 2002 that's how it was for screening. There was no federal standards against taking box cutters on a plane, and even if there was, it's more likely TSA would miss them than MASSPORT or airline rent-a-cop.

Relates to TSA.....

I don't know if there is a solution to the long lines. We've had people try to blow up airplanes with explosives in their shoes and underwear. We HAVE to be vigilant. We have to ask people to take off watches, belts, shoes, etc. because nobody's invented a metal detector that will detect ONLY weapons. That's just going to take X amount of time when you have hundreds and hundreds of people trying to get through the gates at once. I don't really know what the answer is, beyond having 75 security lines.

Ruark wrote:I don't know if there is a solution to the long lines. We've had people try to blow up airplanes with explosives in their shoes and underwear. We HAVE to be vigilant. We have to ask people to take off watches, belts, shoes, etc. because nobody's invented a metal detector that will detect ONLY weapons. That's just going to take X amount of time when you have hundreds and hundreds of people trying to get through the gates at once. I don't really know what the answer is, beyond having 75 security lines.

My suggestion with this post was that perhaps people that were already vetted could get through an abbreviated line without the additional vetting that one can buy from TSA such as precheck or global pass. Although I have not done it my understanding is that you can go into the Capitol in Austin armed with a LTC. People that have been vetted ought to be able to board a plane with a minimal exam. I doubt that precheck and global check do a better security check than what you had to get your LTC.

rotor wrote:

Ruark wrote:I don't know if there is a solution to the long lines. We've had people try to blow up airplanes with explosives in their shoes and underwear. We HAVE to be vigilant. We have to ask people to take off watches, belts, shoes, etc. because nobody's invented a metal detector that will detect ONLY weapons. That's just going to take X amount of time when you have hundreds and hundreds of people trying to get through the gates at once. I don't really know what the answer is, beyond having 75 security lines.

My suggestion with this post was that perhaps people that were already vetted could get through an abbreviated line without the additional vetting that one can buy from TSA such as precheck or global pass. Although I have not done it my understanding is that you can go into the Capitol in Austin armed with a LTC. People that have been vetted ought to be able to board a plane with a minimal exam. I doubt that precheck and global check do a better security check than what you had to get your LTC.

I travel a lot. And what gets me is that even though I hold the highest level of Federal government security clearances, and have also been through that vetting process for LTC, I still have to participate in Precheck, Clear, airline Platinum and soon one more program to have a chance of getting through the line without going through that major hassle.

To me the elephant in the room is that we are still stuck on the fear of behavioral profiling (as is done in some other countries, and was promised to be incorporated here) and so we waste a significant amount of time treating everyone as equals - which in this case means treating someone's 94 year old grandfather who is a veteran and a LTC (and this is a real example) as a potential security threat.

Meanwhile, it seems that TSA spends more time watching the clock so that they don't unlock and open the security gates 30 seconds early in the morning at IAH (real example)...because that clearly completes the illusion of security (we MUST be secure, they don't even open the gate a second early). Or they miss explosives in a shoe but you must toss your potentially dangerous liquids (more than the size limit that was picked out of nowhere) right there (next to the long line of people) so it will be then somehow rendered safe. And don't even get me started about the one TSA guy who works in IAH terminal B who is so obese that he has to cling to the urinal to be able to use it (while gasping for breath), because that sure makes me feel safer. </end rant>

And the award for most creative imagery goes to Glockster. We want to suggest a temporary ban for Glockster for the mind numbing image of the insanely overweight agent at the urinal.



LOL. J/K.... I only fly United, so at least as the anchor airline they have five extra agents

DevilDawg wrote:And the award for most creative imagery goes to Glockster. We want to suggest a temporary ban for Glockster for the mind numbing image of the insanely overweight agent at the urinal.



LOL. J/K.... I only fly United, so at least as the anchor airline they have five extra agents

Sadly, that was the United gates I was referring to and he was one of the guys working the screening to the United gates.

I do apologize about the imagery...but as a part of my own healing process I felt compelled to share.

Actually, I've had a simple two-step solution for solving the boarding/hijacking/bombing problem for a couple of decades, but nobody seems to want to implement it and I can't imagine why......
- everybody flies naked
- all your baggage travels on a separate cargo plane
What could be simpler or more effective?!
Has the added benefit of there being no doubt about which bathroom you should be using.
Would probably work well for GFSZA as well (for ScottDLS)

Glockster wrote:

DevilDawg wrote:And the award for most creative imagery goes to Glockster. We want to suggest a temporary ban for Glockster for the mind numbing image of the insanely overweight agent at the urinal.



LOL. J/K.... I only fly United, so at least as the anchor airline they have five extra agents

Sadly, that was the United gates I was referring to and he was one of the guys working the screening to the United gates.

I do apologize about the imagery...but as a part of my own healing process I felt compelled to share.

Terminal C has the Texas size United/Continental equipment gates. Terminal B has the uncomfortable mosquito size equipment gates.

How's this make you feel?

Accused Somali war criminal found working as DC airport security guard

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/ac ... tcmp=hpbt4

Unsurprised.

DevilDawg wrote:All of DHS needs to be defunded and abolished. The Fed is not capable of running anything efficiently. This entire department is nothing but yet another way to funnel money into pet projects

Private security companies who have to compete and are regularly audited are a far superior option. PSC's are not just a better solution but they are proven overseas in Iraq and A-Stan.

I have to completely agree with you. DHS was a huge scam foisted upon us post 9/11 by using everybody's emotions against them. For all of the money, the annoyance, etc, they have noting to show for themselves.

Before 9/11 we used to be able to carry pocket knives on the plane and private security managed to efficiently screen people. Now we can't even bring bottled water through, and yet they still can't even manage to catch people smuggling guns. The whole thing is just a sham, as once you're past security you can buy all of the water, nail clippers, etc that you want. TSA has no incentives to improve. By purposely slowing things down, they can just ask for more of our hard earned money to "make it more efficient".

Bitter Clinger wrote:How's this make you feel?

Accused Somali war criminal found working as DC airport security guard

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/02/ac ... tcmp=hpbt4

Probably guilty, but has anybody pointed out that these are only allegations right now. I mean if I just say you're a war criminal, then should you automatically lose your job and your LTC?

On the flip side how the heck did he pass the check for a green card if he's got this past. didn't Canada kick him him out? Why did we take him? Maybe he crossed the Rio Grande and said he was Guatamalan....