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Why do I have to give anything up? This is the kind of question that liberals love. "Oh, if you'll concede to universal registration of all firearms, we'll "allow" you to have any kind of firearm you want."

No thanks.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Why do I have to give anything up? This is the kind of question that liberals love. "Oh, if you'll concede to universal registration of all firearms, we'll "allow" you to have any kind of firearm you want."

No thanks.

Giving up is not an option.

Oldgringo wrote:

Skiprr wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:At the risk of sounding like some left coast liberal dimocrat, I'm pretty cool with the laws as they are. I do not OC and nowhere that we ordinarily frequent are off limits to our CC's. Nether our medical nor financial facilities are posted and we don't do school or court house functions. Any place that we may possibly visit that is 30.06 posted gives a choice of whether to disarm or go elsewhere.

In summation, I don't see no need to give up nothin'. YMMV?

Just a note that, should any medical issues of you or yours escalate to the point that you need to visit the largest medical center in the world--the one right in your backyard--your experience with 30.06/30.07 postings will change dramatically. There's not a hospital, clinic, professional building, or even skywalk in the Texas Medical Center in Houston that isn't legitimately posted. You can spend a full day walking over a mile and waiting hours in multiple offices, all under legitimate signage...and you will have no choice to go elsewhere.

That is, unless you choose the world's second largest medical center in Singapore, or the third-largest in Thailand, or number four in Paris...

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Like I said, we'll either disarm or go elsewhere. I suspect that our CC gun/s will not be the first thing on our minds should we need to go there?

Your Forum username is OldGringo. If you are, in fact, a senior citizen and eligible for MediCare, count yourself miraculously lucky that the only medical treatment you and yours have needed in the Piney Woods has been minimal and local.

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

Ain't that sorta kinda what laws and legislative planning is all about? Figuring out what major bridges citizens may need to cross?

And, no: if it comes to it, your carry guns will not be the first thing on your mind, not by a longshot.

But you will stay at the Medical Center Best Western Plaza Hotel & Suites on Main Street. Staying at the Wyndham is too expensive. Staying farther away is a logistical nonstarter. You're gun(s) will have to be locked-up in your hotel room and, even worse than your car or truck, umpteen unknown people have access to that room.

Your car will remain in the hotel parking lot. Driving the TMC garage towers is insane; it isn't atypical to travel from ground to roof multiple times--sometimes a 20-story roof--before you can claim a space just as someone serendipitously pulls out. I've spent almost an hour in a THC building trying to find a parking space. Trust me; ain't pretty.

The largest medical center in the world covers over one square mile and rises many stories. If you're coming in from out-of-town, commuting to and from is an insane idea.

Like I said, we'll either disarm or go elsewhere.

Good on ya for a choice to go elsewhere. If you find yourself needing to be at the Texas Medical Center...well, my friend, see my comments above. You can can go to Singapore, Thailand, Paris or, in fourth place, the Mayo Clinic.

The statement, "I'll go elsewhere," is not only uninformed; it is ignorant.

OldGringo, it's very difficult for me to believe your monicker is accurate.

If you're old enough, you've been through this. You've done everything possible for a loved one; you've lived for days at the Texas Medical Center; you've walked all those halls, sat in those chairs; ate that vending-machine food at 03:00 and couldn't sleep even if your were given a tranq.

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

Yeah. I call you on this.

Fess up.

Skiprr wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Skiprr wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:At the risk of sounding like some left coast liberal dimocrat, I'm pretty cool with the laws as they are. I do not OC and nowhere that we ordinarily frequent are off limits to our CC's. Nether our medical nor financial facilities are posted and we don't do school or court house functions. Any place that we may possibly visit that is 30.06 posted gives a choice of whether to disarm or go elsewhere.

In summation, I don't see no need to give up nothin'. YMMV?

Just a note that, should any medical issues of you or yours escalate to the point that you need to visit the largest medical center in the world--the one right in your backyard--your experience with 30.06/30.07 postings will change dramatically. There's not a hospital, clinic, professional building, or even skywalk in the Texas Medical Center in Houston that isn't legitimately posted. You can spend a full day walking over a mile and waiting hours in multiple offices, all under legitimate signage...and you will have no choice to go elsewhere.

That is, unless you choose the world's second largest medical center in Singapore, or the third-largest in Thailand, or number four in Paris...

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Like I said, we'll either disarm or go elsewhere. I suspect that our CC gun/s will not be the first thing on our minds should we need to go there?

Your Forum username is OldGringo. If you are, in fact, a senior citizen and eligible for MediCare, count yourself miraculously lucky that the only medical treatment you and yours have needed in the Piney Woods has been minimal and local.

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

Ain't that sorta kinda what laws and legislative planning is all about? Figuring out what major bridges citizens may need to cross?

And, no: if it comes to it, your carry guns will not be the first thing on your mind, not by a longshot.

But you will stay at the Medical Center Best Western Plaza Hotel & Suites on Main Street. Staying at the Wyndham is too expensive. Staying farther away is a logistical nonstarter. You're gun(s) will have to be locked-up in your hotel room and, even worse than your car or truck, umpteen unknown people have access to that room.

Your car will remain in the hotel parking lot. Driving the TMC garage towers is insane; it isn't atypical to travel from ground to roof multiple times--sometimes a 20-story roof--before you can claim a space just as someone serendipitously pulls out. I've spent almost an hour in a THC building trying to find a parking space. Trust me; ain't pretty.

The largest medical center in the world covers over one square mile and rises many stories. If you're coming in from out-of-town, commuting to and from is an insane idea.

Like I said, we'll either disarm or go elsewhere.

Good on ya for a choice to go elsewhere. If you find yourself needing to be at the Texas Medical Center...well, my friend, see my comments above. You can can go to Singapore, Thailand, Paris or, in fourth place, the Mayo Clinic.

The statement, "I'll go elsewhere," is not only uninformed; it is ignorant.

OldGringo, it's very difficult for me to believe your monicker is accurate.

If you're old enough, you've been through this. You've done everything possible for a loved one; you've lived for days at the Texas Medical Center; you've walked all those halls, sat in those chairs; ate that vending-machine food at 03:00 and couldn't sleep even if your were given a tranq.

We'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

Yeah. I call you on this.

Fess up.

What's your point, are you trying to start an argument or what?

oljames3 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Why do I have to give anything up? This is the kind of question that liberals love. "Oh, if you'll concede to universal registration of all firearms, we'll "allow" you to have any kind of firearm you want."

No thanks.

Giving up is not an option.

Oldgringo wrote:What's your point, are you trying to start an argument or what?

For goodness sake.

Neither you nor any of your close kin has had serious hospitalization of any kind? If not, it will come.

What I'm saying is that the largest and most respected medical center in the world is in Houston, Texas. And in not one teeny corner of all those floors and corridors and rooms and cubbies is carry of any kind allowed. Nada. Nunca.

Lock your gun in your hotel room. Fine by me. Your choice. But as a caregiver, you may walk literally miles--surface streets and building interiors--and spend many hours in a hospital room and waiting areas unarmed.

My point is that literally millons of people come to the Texas Medical Center each year. Heck, I help raise funds annually for the Texas Children's Hospital Cancer Center. On an annual basis, TCH sees more than 2.7 million patients.

Your position is that the doctor you see is not posted 30.06, so you're cool; you can go elsewhere if you choose.

Trying looking at a bigger picture.

Jusme wrote:I don't think we need to "give up" anything. Requiring more training, for a constitutional right, flies directly in the face of "Shall Not Be Infringed", of which, we already have enough examples. I think that we should be able to legally carry anywhere LEO are permitted to carry. With the only restricted areas, being secured areas of jails and prisons, and secured areas of an airport. Even off duty, LEO can carry in courtrooms, even if they are party to a case, not connected with their job duties, including divorce, child custody, civil lawsuits etc. Off duty LEO can carry into any public school in Texas, professional, college, and high school sporting events, and TABC posted 51% premises.

They are not required to perform any additional firearms training by law, and are only required to meet the minimum standards of TECLOSE required continuing education courses. Each department may set different standards. Our record of being law abiding, far outweighs that of LEO, but we are still regarded, as somehow less competent. Please understand, I am not trying to bash LEO, I used to be one, so my experience with the requirements, is first hand.

So to answer your question, we already "give up" far too much, while still being denigrated to second class citizen status, by the general public, and lawmakers. JMHO

People bearing arms are members of a "protected class".

I despise public accommodation laws in the private sector, but they aren't ever going away. Might as well get on the bandwagon.

Skiprr wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What's your point, are you trying to start an argument or what?

For goodness sake.

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Neither you nor any of your close kin has had serious hospitalization of any kind? If not, it will come.

I've buried both parents, both parents-in-law, a sister and a son - not to mention numerous friends and pets. I'm more than familiar with the loss of loved ones.

I'm sorry for your loss or whatever is eating you. Whatever it is, it's not my fault.

I'm outa' here.

I want to see all force of law removed from 30.06. Here's why. My job takes me to hospitals and clinics every day. I leave home and lock my gun in a lock box in my car and go in to the hospital. Leave and go to the next hospital, etc. Now all of them are posted so my gun has to stay in my car the entire day. I have to walk across parking lots multiple times unarmed. I've gotten into a bad habit of not even bothering to take my gun a lot of days because why bother. It's just going to be locked up all day. I don't like being treated like some kind of threat just because someone wets themselves at the thought of someone having a gun.

Try a little more grounded question.

This one is a non-starter.

doncb wrote:I want to see all force of law removed from 30.06. ...

I agree that any private property owner should be able to prohibit any person or any activity from his private property as he desires.

However, I hate the idea that someone could potentially be arrested and jailed for simply walking onto a properly posted property because they simply failed to notice the signage.

But, I also agree with others who have already stated that it's very unlikely that law is going to change any time soon.

I also like OlBill's suggestion for making LTCer's a protected class! Hey, why not?

Russell wrote:Just to play devil's advocate...

Soccerdad1995
I cannot tell someone that they can enter my property only if they have the following 3 items, and only if they do not have these two other items, and then have them arrested for trespassing if it turns out that they really had something I told them not to bring

Says who? Is there a statute or case law that says property owners cannot do that? It would seem like simple trespassing to me if you tell Bob "No you cannot bring your taco bell into my movie theatre" and Bob still shows up and brings taco bell in.

IANAL but it isn't trespassing until you ask them to leave and they do not. In the same way that if you post "No Shoes/ No Service", someone is not trespassing if they enter without shoes until you tell them to leave.

Unfortunately the most law abiding citizens/LTCers are the only ones subjected to being a criminal for walking passed a sign.

doncb wrote:I want to see all force of law removed from 30.06. Here's why. My job takes me to hospitals and clinics every day. I leave home and lock my gun in a lock box in my car and go in to the hospital. Leave and go to the next hospital, etc. Now all of them are posted so my gun has to stay in my car the entire day. I have to walk across parking lots multiple times unarmed. I've gotten into a bad habit of not even bothering to take my gun a lot of days because why bother. It's just going to be locked up all day. I don't like being treated like some kind of threat just because someone wets themselves at the thought of someone having a gun.

Would you be willing to make any concessions in other areas of the law to see that happen? It seems most people that have answered have the same stance as this, but not many people would care to give anything up for it.