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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:30 pm
by MechAg94
My main concern with national carry reciprocity is that a poorly written law could be twisted to use as a regulatory tool by future Presidents or the courts. The spread of concealed carry over the last 20 years has been a huge boon to Gun Rights. I don't want a poorly written law to jeopardize that. I will wait and see what is actually proposed.
In all honesty, I would rather see the Hearing Conservation Act pass first to take sound suppressors out of the NFA.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:35 pm
by MechAg94
Soccerdad1995 wrote:TXBO wrote:There are a couple of things at play here. First Trump is trying to moderate his positions to calm the temper tantrums from the left. Second, some of his promises, such as Mexico paying for the wall, are so outrageous as to never have been taken serious in the first place.
I don't know that Mexico paying for the wall is outrageous. We give them a little over $50 million a year in foreign aid. Seems like we could net the bond payments against that amount and raise enough funds to finance a pretty darn nice wall. Maybe also issue a special tariff on Mexican goods, after renegotiating NAFTA or course.
The amount of wire transfers of money sent from people in the US to people in Mexico is huge. Put a tax on wire transfers or threaten to block them altogether. That would get some attention.
My main concern about a Wall is how much land will be eminent domained from US landowners to build it. How much land will remain between the wall at the Rio Grande that is effectively unusable? Will anyone change the border enforcement rules so we can actually defend the wall and keep it from being destroyed after the fact? A wall without defenders is useless.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:30 pm
by mojo84
If he was to stand on principle and do exactly as he promised, people would be ostrocizing him for being too dogmatic and not working with others like they do Cruz.
Darned if he does. Darned if he doesn't.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:55 pm
by TXBO
Soccerdad1995 wrote:TXBO wrote:There are a couple of things at play here. First Trump is trying to moderate his positions to calm the temper tantrums from the left. Second, some of his promises, such as Mexico paying for the wall, are so outrageous as to never have been taken serious in the first place.
I don't know that Mexico paying for the wall is outrageous. We give them a little over $50 million a year in foreign aid. Seems like we could net the bond payments against that amount and raise enough funds to finance a pretty darn nice wall. Maybe also issue a special tariff on Mexican goods, after renegotiating NAFTA or course.
I've heard cost estimates anywhere from $12
Billion up to $25
Billion.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:37 pm
by Alf
Carter pardoned draft dodgers wholesale. A pro-RKBA could theoretically wake up every morning of his or her Presidency and pardon everyone who committed a non-violent gun crime. Right?
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:37 am
by Bolton Strid
bblhd672 wrote:Less than a week after the election and Trump is already backtracking on promises made during his campaign. While I'm not surprised, I at least expected he would take office before becoming like every other Republican elected in the last few years.
Rather than individually list and link each source, this article seems to have them all (so far):
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... 13731.html
Don't get me wrong, I"m not starting a bash Trump movement, I'm just stating that he seems to have suddenly learned "the game" played in Washington.
Or, I could be completely wrong and he is playing his own game of backing down from extreme positions that are being protested in an attempt to douse the flames, with the intention of going forward with his agenda once in office.
Why even post junk like this - the guy hasn't even done anything yet, and won't be in a position to do so until January.
It's only helping spread media psyops, which has now pivoted into gaslighting mode, with two main narratives they are working hard to cement into people's minds - 1) Trump is stupid & incompetent, 2) you have been and will be deceived - he is lying to you. The same that was used on Reagan & GW Bush. They're working hard to get that narrative out front and established so that they can build on it as time goes on. Trump exposed the media for the crooks that they are time and time again, backed up by Wikileaks and other sources, so they deserve
no credibility to anything they put out. Just today they were screaming across the internet and every TV channel as to how soon-to-be strategist Steve Bannon was the new KKK - without a shred of tangible proof. At the bare minimum they are trying to discredit Trump's administration before he even gets started, at worst they are further inciting the spread of civil unrest.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:46 am
by K.Mooneyham
Here is my take on this subject, for what little it may be worth. First of all, of course I agree with Mr. Cotton that the mass media, in this country and elsewhere, will do everything they can to slam Mr. Trump before he even gets rolling. They've lied, and lied, and lied to us all for untold years now, they certainly aren't going to stop anytime soon. So, I don't believe anything they say that isn't a direct quote from Mr. Trump, or I don't hear him say myself in a video of him speaking, or relayed to us by someone directly working for him and authorized to speak for him.
Second thing, I am 100% convinced that anything Mr. Trump will do will not be remotely as bad for me and mine as what Hillary would have done in that office. She hates "the common folk" of this country, of all races, colors and creeds, and only "cares" about the ones she could use to gain more power and wealth. She despises the right to self-defense, and regular folks having the means to successfully do so. Mr. Trump has indicated the exact opposite, and so far, I have no reason to not believe him.
And finally, like the rest of you, I have had to put up with almost eight long years of being talked down to and bad-mouthed by a left-wing Democrat POTUS. Mr. Trump doesn't do that, and that difference is almost worth it all by itself.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:23 am
by mojo84
We all must keep in mind, we will not agree with 100% of Trump's decisions. Let's look at his body of work as a whole to make determinations and it's too early at this point.
Please consider the alternative when forming opinions about each of Trump's decisions.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:38 am
by Jusme
K.Mooneyham wrote:Here is my take on this subject, for what little it may be worth. First of all, of course I agree with Mr. Cotton that the mass media, in this country and elsewhere, will do everything they can to slam Mr. Trump before he even gets rolling. They've lied, and lied, and lied to us all for untold years now, they certainly aren't going to stop anytime soon. So, I don't believe anything they say that isn't a direct quote from Mr. Trump, or I don't hear him say myself in a video of him speaking, or relayed to us by someone directly working for him and authorized to speak for him.
Second thing, I am 100% convinced that anything Mr. Trump will do will not be remotely as bad for me and mine as what Hillary would have done in that office. She hates "the common folk" of this country, of all races, colors and creeds, and only "cares" about the ones she could use to gain more power and wealth. She despises the right to self-defense, and regular folks having the means to successfully do so. Mr. Trump has indicated the exact opposite, and so far, I have no reason to not believe him.
And finally, like the rest of you, I have had to put up with almost eight long years of being talked down to and bad-mouthed by a left-wing Democrat POTUS. Mr. Trump doesn't do that, and that difference is almost worth it all by itself.
There is nothing being generated by MSM that I believe. They are still trying to get over their slap in the face by the American public, and will never admit they were wrong. Trump will never advertise to the media his plans, or changes thereto. The media is falling all over itself trying to figure out who Trump is putting in his Cabinet, transition team, advisory roles, etc.. But there is nothing coming directly from Trump.
I am also taking a wait and see attitude, change comes slowly, and there is 8 years of debauchery to the country, it's values, and the Constitution that have to be rectified. There will also be pushback from the Democratic members of Congress, that could delay things.
The press is limping around trying to play catch up, and look more and more like the spoiled children that they are, so I say turn off the news, go shoot at the range, hug your kids, hoist a cold one in celebration, and allow the process to play out. JMHO.
Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:50 pm
by Liberty
Alf wrote:Carter pardoned draft dodgers wholesale. A pro-RKBA could theoretically wake up every morning of his or her Presidency and pardon everyone who committed a non-violent gun crime. Right?
Only if those pardoned were commited by federal courts. The president can not pardon for crimes not in his jurisdiction.