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mojo84 wrote:So, if you still believe the the yield sign has no bearing on the traffic turning right, why is it there?

It has bearing on traffic turning right from either street. The cutouts and yield signs are there so they don't have to come to a complete stop to turn right on red.

sheary wrote:

mojo84 wrote:So, if you still believe the the yield sign has no bearing on the traffic turning right, why is it there?

It has bearing on traffic turning right from either street. The cutouts and yield signs are there so they don't have to come to a complete stop to turn right on red.

No. The yield sign is there so the people that are leaving Potranco and entering Research have to yield to the traffic already on Research. The yield sign is after the stop light.

casp625 wrote:

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote:

ninjabread wrote:545.153 - VEHICLE ENTERING STOP OR YIELD INTERSECTION
(c) An operator approaching an intersection on a roadway controlled by a yield sign shall:
(1) slow to a speed that is reasonable under the existing conditions; and
(2) yield the right-of-way to a vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to be an immediate hazard to the operator's movement in or across the intersection.

IANAL but it sounds like the driver turning right has to avoid hitting the driver turning left, but is not required to proactively stop to allow the left turn.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

Also, this type of situation is exactly why I don't use my blinker in these intersections. Since the vehicle turning left believes I am going straight (I have green light and they have flashing arrow), they have to yield right of way to me.

That sounds crazy, you would break the law to keep from obeying the law?

Nope. I conveniently "forget" to use my blinker so the person turning left doesn't hit me (since they yield if I was going straight). Problem solved.

That is a poor method of handling the situation. Kind of like of like keeping your finger on the trigger sometimes when not ready to shoot just to be ready.

mojo84 wrote:

casp625 wrote:

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote:

ninjabread wrote:545.153 - VEHICLE ENTERING STOP OR YIELD INTERSECTION
(c) An operator approaching an intersection on a roadway controlled by a yield sign shall:
(1) slow to a speed that is reasonable under the existing conditions; and
(2) yield the right-of-way to a vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to be an immediate hazard to the operator's movement in or across the intersection.

IANAL but it sounds like the driver turning right has to avoid hitting the driver turning left, but is not required to proactively stop to allow the left turn.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

Also, this type of situation is exactly why I don't use my blinker in these intersections. Since the vehicle turning left believes I am going straight (I have green light and they have flashing arrow), they have to yield right of way to me.

That sounds crazy, you would break the law to keep from obeying the law?

Nope. I conveniently "forget" to use my blinker so the person turning left doesn't hit me (since they yield if I was going straight). Problem solved.

That is a poor method of handling the situation. Kind of like of like keeping your finger on the trigger sometimes when not ready to shoot just to be ready.

No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

casp625 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

casp625 wrote:

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote:

ninjabread wrote:545.153 - VEHICLE ENTERING STOP OR YIELD INTERSECTION
(c) An operator approaching an intersection on a roadway controlled by a yield sign shall:
(1) slow to a speed that is reasonable under the existing conditions; and
(2) yield the right-of-way to a vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to be an immediate hazard to the operator's movement in or across the intersection.

IANAL but it sounds like the driver turning right has to avoid hitting the driver turning left, but is not required to proactively stop to allow the left turn.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

Also, this type of situation is exactly why I don't use my blinker in these intersections. Since the vehicle turning left believes I am going straight (I have green light and they have flashing arrow), they have to yield right of way to me.

That sounds crazy, you would break the law to keep from obeying the law?

Nope. I conveniently "forget" to use my blinker so the person turning left doesn't hit me (since they yield if I was going straight). Problem solved.

That is a poor method of handling the situation. Kind of like of like keeping your finger on the trigger sometimes when not ready to shoot just to be ready.

No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

The turn signal also serves to notify those behind you that you are turning. Failing to signal is not only against the law, it is dangerous. Also, IIRC, promoting violating the law is a violation of forum rules.

casp625 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

casp625 wrote:

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote:

ninjabread wrote:545.153 - VEHICLE ENTERING STOP OR YIELD INTERSECTION
(c) An operator approaching an intersection on a roadway controlled by a yield sign shall:
(1) slow to a speed that is reasonable under the existing conditions; and
(2) yield the right-of-way to a vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to be an immediate hazard to the operator's movement in or across the intersection.

IANAL but it sounds like the driver turning right has to avoid hitting the driver turning left, but is not required to proactively stop to allow the left turn.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

Also, this type of situation is exactly why I don't use my blinker in these intersections. Since the vehicle turning left believes I am going straight (I have green light and they have flashing arrow), they have to yield right of way to me.

That sounds crazy, you would break the law to keep from obeying the law?

Nope. I conveniently "forget" to use my blinker so the person turning left doesn't hit me (since they yield if I was going straight). Problem solved.

That is a poor method of handling the situation. Kind of like of like keeping your finger on the trigger sometimes when not ready to shoot just to be ready.

No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

(a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.
(b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

I believe this falls under forum rule #4 or at least very close to it.

mojo84 wrote: Technically, it's not a right turn. People use the right lane to exit the lane and then after the curve they merge into southbound traffic.

No turn. No turn signal required.

Lambda Force wrote:

mojo84 wrote: Technically, it's not a right turn. People use the right lane to exit the lane and then after the curve they merge into southbound traffic.

No turn. No turn signal required.

Exiting a lane, blinker required.

It's really not that difficult. Now I see why there are so many negligent collisions. Too many negligent drivers.

Hold off a a spell while I go get some more popcorn!

mojo84 wrote:This is based on IF I am understanding the scenario correctly. Once the right turn is made by the person that was going east, he is now subject to the yield sign. The person turning left onto the same road has the right of way since he is now going straight and the vehicle that turned right is actually now merging into traffic. The lights at the intersection have no bearing once the turns are made.

In this type of scenario, the vehicle merging into traffic yields to traffic already in the lanes.

occam's razor typically works best for traffic signs.

casp625 wrote:

ninjabread wrote:545.153 - VEHICLE ENTERING STOP OR YIELD INTERSECTION
(c) An operator approaching an intersection on a roadway controlled by a yield sign shall:
(1) slow to a speed that is reasonable under the existing conditions; and
(2) yield the right-of-way to a vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to be an immediate hazard to the operator's movement in or across the intersection.

IANAL but it sounds like the driver turning right has to avoid hitting the driver turning left, but is not required to proactively stop to allow the left turn.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

jmra wrote:

casp625 wrote: No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

The turn signal also serves to notify those behind you that you are turning. Failing to signal is not only against the law, it is dangerous. Also, IIRC, promoting violating the law is a violation of forum rules.

Turning left in front of opposing traffic is not only dangerous, it's against the law.

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote: No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

(a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.
(b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

I believe this falls under forum rule #4 or at least very close to it.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

As I approach the intersection, make sure you yield to me before you make that left turn. Doesn't matter whether you hit me at the intersection or I hit you, I'll be sitting in my car laughing as your insurance pays for all my repairs, your insurance increases, and you get a ticket for failing to yield right of way. Even if I mistakenly activate my right blinker, you're at fault for turning left in front of me while I was attempting to go straight. Just because someone has a blinker activated doesn't mean they intend to turn, they could have forgot to turn it off. Once again, enjoy your ticket.

And on the off chance I am actually turning right at the yield sign? You'll never know until I'm about to clear the sign, since blinker on/off doesn't necessarily mean I am turning (e.g. forgot to turn it off from earlier). This particular intersection is in "such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard" that those turning left are required to yield.

1. I approach yield sign with blinker on (or off)
2. You're still sitting at light to turn left (545.152)
3. No southbound traffic since intersection is a " T "
4. I proceed through safely (545.153)
5. You turn whenever you want (because you're a bad driver) and cause an accident with the vehicle behind me who was actually going straight
6. Enjoy your ticket

casp625 wrote:

jmra wrote:

casp625 wrote: No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

The turn signal also serves to notify those behind you that you are turning. Failing to signal is not only against the law, it is dangerous. Also, IIRC, promoting violating the law is a violation of forum rules.

Turning left in front of opposing traffic is not only dangerous, it's against the law.

JakeTheSnake wrote:

casp625 wrote: No. Left turn yields to opposing traffic, if a turn arrow isn't present, plain and simple. One can guess whether the left turn will yield or force them to yield by not using a blinker. Safe or sorry, the choice is yours.

(a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.
(b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

I believe this falls under forum rule #4 or at least very close to it.

Sec. 545.152. VEHICLE TURNING LEFT. To turn left at an intersection or into an alley or private road or driveway, an operator shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is in the intersection or in such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard.

As I approach the intersection, make sure you yield to me before you make that left turn. Doesn't matter whether you hit me at the intersection or I hit you, I'll be sitting in my car laughing as your insurance pays for all my repairs, your insurance increases, and you get a ticket for failing to yield right of way. Even if I mistakenly activate my right blinker, you're at fault for turning left in front of me while I was attempting to go straight. Just because someone has a blinker activated doesn't mean they intend to turn, they could have forgot to turn it off. Once again, enjoy your ticket.

And on the off chance I am actually turning right at the yield sign? You'll never know until I'm about to clear the sign, since blinker on/off doesn't necessarily mean I am turning (e.g. forgot to turn it off from earlier). This particular intersection is in "such proximity to the intersection as to be an immediate hazard" that those turning left are required to yield.

1. I approach yield sign with blinker on (or off)
2. You're still sitting at light to turn left (545.152)
3. No southbound traffic since intersection is a " T "
4. I proceed through safely (545.153)
5. You turn whenever you want (because you're a bad driver) and cause an accident with the vehicle behind me who was actually going straight
6. Enjoy your ticket

You are way off in left field. Your blinker game is not legal or appropriate.

Failure to signal is an infraction of Texas Transportation Code Section 545.104. Though minor, suggestion to do so is in violation of our Forum Rule #4, http://www.texaschlforum.com/app.php/page/rules. One post has been deleted, and selected others locked to editing.

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