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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:43 pm
by fadlan12
txinvestigator wrote:Tim the Teacher wrote:We were told by our instructor that the targets were trashed after qualifying. Apparently it gives lawyers some info on you if you are ever involved in a situation where you have to discharge your weapon in a defensive posture.
And?
My instructor doesn't post a score on paper work, only pass or fail. Rational is: to prevent a prosecuter from saying "you were such a good shot you should have shot the weapon out of the perps hand instead of killing them". But we got our targets with a score to keep.
ETA: i posted a reply prior to reading entire thread, seems to be "high agreement" among most instructors.
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:13 pm
by txinvestigator
fadlan12 wrote:txinvestigator wrote:Tim the Teacher wrote:We were told by our instructor that the targets were trashed after qualifying. Apparently it gives lawyers some info on you if you are ever involved in a situation where you have to discharge your weapon in a defensive posture.
And?
My instructor doesn't post a score on paper work, only pass or fail. Rational is: to prevent a prosecuter from saying "you were such a good shot you should have shot the weapon out of the perps hand instead of killing them". But we got our targets with a score to keep.
ETA: i posted a reply prior to reading entire thread, seems to be "high agreement" among most instructors.
That line of thinking is idotic.( not saying you are, directed at the instructors) A simply understanding of the law is all that is needed to comprehend that if you are justified in using deadly force, it matters not what type of deadly force is used. Shooting someone IS ALWAYS deadly force.
Do I really need to get into the realities of shooting under stress, small, moving targets as opposed to center mass, the likelyhood of a non-CM shot actually stopping the aggressor, etc. etc?
Show me ONE case where a person who was otherwise justified in using deadly force convicted because he 'didn't shoot the gun out of his hand". Heck, show me one attempt.
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:24 pm
by seamusTX
txinvestigator wrote:Show me ONE case where a person who was otherwise justified in using deadly force convicted because he 'didn't shoot the gun out of his hand".
I'd like to see one also, or else lay this canard to rest.
- Jim
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:49 pm
by fenster
XD-45 Service
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:01 pm
by hi-power
NOBODY MAKE FENSTER MAD!
ETA: Nice groupings. Does that say a score of 249? Is that a flyer in the upper-left-hand corner?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:18 pm
by fenster
yep. 249.
I'm not gonna say that the dude next to me, with the high-dollar 1911 shot my target. but I will say that hole at the 7-ring looks punched by a flat-nose bullet, unlike the other holes from my round-nose ammo.
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:13 pm
by Paladin
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:33 pm
by SigM4
fenster wrote:yep. 249.
I'm not gonna say that the dude next to me, with the high-dollar 1911 shot my target. but I will say that hole at the 7-ring looks punched by a flat-nose bullet, unlike the other holes from my round-nose ammo.
Sounds like my experience a couple years back when I shot for my CHL. Here I am shooting a .40 with my grouping all just absolutely dead on (probably never shot that well before or since for that matter). And when the instructor went to score it he pointed out that I had one lone hole low and to the right in the 7 ring. After looking at it it was clear that the guy next to me, shooting a 9mm had made the hole. I was about to say something when I realized that either way I passed, so what does it matter?
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:30 pm
by Humanphibian
SigM4 wrote:fenster wrote:yep. 249.
I'm not gonna say that the dude next to me, with the high-dollar 1911 shot my target. but I will say that hole at the 7-ring looks punched by a flat-nose bullet, unlike the other holes from my round-nose ammo.
Sounds like my experience a couple years back when I shot for my CHL. Here I am shooting a .40 with my grouping all just absolutely dead on (probably never shot that well before or since for that matter). And when the instructor went to score it he pointed out that I had one lone hole low and to the right in the 7 ring. After looking at it it was clear that the guy next to me, shooting a 9mm had made the hole. I was about to say something when I realized that either way I passed, so what does it matter?
PRIDE!
Should have told him you were afraid we would give you a hard time about pulling one wide. Or even...."So...do you get extra points if you shoot 2 bad guys, like he did?"
