Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:52 am
From Baytown... that explains it.OlBill wrote:This is unfortunate.
Apparently he's from Baytown and has been a Ranger less than a year.
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Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:56 am
I've heard (never seen the law/statute to back it up, so I've always taken it with a grain of salt) that unmarked peace officer vehicles weren't allowed to make traffic stops?
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:59 am
Pariah3j wrote:I've heard (never seen the law/statute to back it up, so I've always taken it with a grain of salt) that unmarked peace officer vehicles weren't allowed to make traffic stops?
They can, some are equipped with lights behind the grill, and behind the rearview mirror, but not stopping for an unmarked car will usually not result in an evading charge. Most of the time, when I was A LEO. unmarked cars, would follow someone they wanted to stop, and call for a marked patrol unit. I made several stops for undercover units, Rangers, etc.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:19 pm
The presentation and pointing of a gun at someone is a threat of deadly force. That is only legally justified under certain limited circumstances. His behavior was not simply out of line, it was definitely illegal. If the "bird flipping guy" had done anything to justify the threat of deadly force, you can bet he would have been arrested for it.flechero wrote:Jusme wrote: Out of line - I do agree with, but that doesn't necessarily mean illegal. We see a lot these days where right/wrong are used interchangeably legal/illegal and we know they actually aren't interchangeable. (and out of line by the Ranger standards is a lot more stringent than out of line by most others) Not making excuses for him, but I think the calls for his job and prosecution are extremely premature, at least until the all the facts are all out there.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:45 pm
I guess the counter point would be if the Ranger's actions were "definitely illegal" he'd have been fired and arrested.
Unless you guys have seen different articles than I read, I just didn't see much in the way of actual facts. Certainly not enough to make career ending/life altering accusations against LEO.
Again, he may very well have been wrong... my point is only that he deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty, just like the rest of us.
Unless you guys have seen different articles than I read, I just didn't see much in the way of actual facts. Certainly not enough to make career ending/life altering accusations against LEO.
Again, he may very well have been wrong... my point is only that he deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty, just like the rest of us.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:39 pm
You or I would have been arrested. In an "internal investigation" the investigator has some discretion.flechero wrote:I guess the counter point would be if the Ranger's actions were "definitely illegal" he'd have been fired and arrested. ...
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:46 am
The great police state of Texas. You guys suprised me that you are giving the Ranger the cold shoulder. Most of the people in my area would support his actions.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:06 am
Me too... at least until all the facts are in.Soap wrote: You guys surprised me that you are giving the Ranger the cold shoulder.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:42 am
The Ranger is from Baytown and was a DPS Trooper for 22 years before becoming a Ranger.Pariah3j wrote:From Baytown... that explains it.OlBill wrote:This is unfortunate.
Apparently he's from Baytown and has been a Ranger less than a year.
In 2006 he was struck by an intoxicated driver while helping an HPD officer on a traffic accident.
Sgt. Smith ended up in a coma, sustaining multiple life-threatening injuries, including a
fractured skull, as well as a broken arm, collarbone and ribs. Sgt Smith was awarded a purple
heart for his injuries.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staf ... ap0106.pdf
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:50 am
What does one tragic incident have to do with an idiotic incident ?WildBill wrote:The Ranger is from Baytown and was a DPS Trooper for 22 years before becoming a Ranger.Pariah3j wrote:From Baytown... that explains it.OlBill wrote:This is unfortunate.
Apparently he's from Baytown and has been a Ranger less than a year.
In 2006 he was struck by an intoxicated driver while helping an HPD officer on a traffic accident.
Sgt. Smith ended up in a coma, sustaining multiple life-threatening injuries, including a
fractured skull, as well as a broken arm, collarbone and ribs. Sgt Smith was awarded a purple
heart for his injuries.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staf ... ap0106.pdf
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:01 pm
If us mere citizens did what this Ranger did, we'd be facing a class b disorderly conduct charge, since firearm was displayed, at the very least. Good luck with your LTC and such.
Oh, and "some" could even call it deadly conduct. But that's just for the peasant folk
Oh, and "some" could even call it deadly conduct. But that's just for the peasant folk
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:18 pm
He may be disaplined, but I bet he won't be charged with a crime. We wouldn't want to tilt the stats any further showing how much more law ablding a CHL holder is than a LEO.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:48 pm
Jusme wrote: When I was a LEO, we were trained that we could not be offended. While obscene gestures are considered disorderly conduct, if the officer is the only one who sees it, and there is no complainant, it's no harm no foul. If I had reacted, to every gesture, or insult directed towards me, as a LEO, I would not have had a job, very long. Since most Rangers drive, unmarked vehicles, and wear no uniform, it's very possible the guy was unaware that he was showing his stupidity, and ill manners to a LEO, but even so, the Ranger, should not have reacted in that manner. If there was another violation, to pull the guy over, then I can understand the stop. But unless there was a threat to his safety, he was out of line, by drawing his gun. Every Ranger I have been associated with, always displayed the utmost in professionalism, and decorum, and I have the highest respect for the job they do. But as they say about one bad apple...
Pulling the gun was absurd.
However, I don't see the problem in pulling someone over and advising them of the foolishness they displayed, and then politely point out the potential to incite road rage that could potentially result in their own injury or demise.
The guy does not need to be a LEO, either way.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 pm
I do. No crime was committed. Should an LEO be able to pull you over for "foolishness" because you have a bumper sticker they don't like? Or maybe the he doesn't like red cars? Or maybe you have a "foolish" hair cut.cyphur wrote: However, I don't see the problem in pulling someone over and advising them of the foolishness they displayed, and then politely point out the potential to incite road rage that could potentially result in their own injury or demise.
The guy does not need to be a LEO, either way.
Why couldn't the ranger be like every other cop on the planet and wait for the guy to cross the center line, or not signaling 100' before an intersection, or "illegal" trim around the license plate, etc.? Then ticket him with a smile on his face.
100% agreed on the not needing to be an LEO.
Re: Texas Ranger pulls gun on driver who flipped him off
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:14 pm
steveincowtown wrote:
I do. No crime was committed. Should an LEO be able to pull you over for "foolishness" because you have a bumper sticker they don't like? Or maybe the he doesn't like red cars? Or maybe you have a "foolish" hair cut.
Why couldn't the ranger be like every other cop on the planet and wait for the guy to cross the center line, or not signaling 100' before an intersection, or "illegal" trim around the license plate, etc.? Then ticket him with a smile on his face.
100% agreed on the not needing to be an LEO.
Having an offensive bumper sticker is not nearly as likely to incite violence as flipping someone off. I didn't say I WANTED them to pull anyone over, nor did I say it should be standard practice. However, stupid is as stupid does. Actions SHOULD have consequences. If you flip off a cop, and you get a warning over it, so be it.
With that said, as a citizen, you are fully within your right to tell them to pound sand and object to any perceived harassment. I'd have no problem with that either.