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Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:05 pm
by Soccerdad1995
MaduroBU wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:51 pm
I'd love to see Dan Crenshaw introduce a bill which mirrors this one wherein the right to own a gun is replaced by the right to vote or serve on a jury. Democrats hold very different views on restrictions pertaining to rights that they support.
The right to vote is MUCH more dangerous than the RKBA. Remember Hitler was elected. If we collectively vote irresponsibly, then all human life on this planet can be eliminated through nuclear war. The right to vote should be MUCH more restricted than the RKBA.
Also, let's not forget about this part "25 years in jail and 100k fine if you sell a gun to someone and they commit suicide with it!". Maybe apply that to the sale of an automobile. If anyone kills themselves or others by driving negligently and/or drunk, then throw the vehicle seller in jail for 25 years.
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
by powerboatr
flechero wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:06 pm
Well, we better start with private security of our elected officials, law enforcement of all types and our soldiers... they have access to more and better guns than us mere civilians. Once you bankrupt them, and slow the medical and licensing communities to a crawl- you'll see that it's not going to work for the citizenry at large.
in her bill, it looks like police are exempt, for carrying out their duties. I wonder what she plans for when they are off duty and want to be armed or target shoot at range for relaxtion
we need mental acuity exam for congress
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:56 pm
by MaduroBU
Soccerdad1995 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:05 pm
MaduroBU wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:51 pm
I'd love to see Dan Crenshaw introduce a bill which mirrors this one wherein the right to own a gun is replaced by the right to vote or serve on a jury. Democrats hold very different views on restrictions pertaining to rights that they support.
The right to vote is MUCH more dangerous than the RKBA. Remember Hitler was elected. If we collectively vote irresponsibly, then all human life on this planet can be eliminated through nuclear war. The right to vote should be MUCH more restricted than the RKBA.
Also, let's not forget about this part "25 years in jail and 100k fine if you sell a gun to someone and they commit suicide with it!". Maybe apply that to the sale of an automobile. If anyone kills themselves or others by driving negligently and/or drunk, then throw the vehicle seller in jail for 25 years.
All arguments for gun control are chaff around the only real argument: the wholly subjective belief that guns are bad. My absolute favorite is the argument that we should regulate guns just as we regulate cars, because it makes sense only if someone grossly misunderstands the substance and purpose of a driver's license. A driver's license only covers operation of a motor vehicle on public roadways, which in the context of the gun rights analogy means that gun owners only gained similar rights with the passage of LTC laws in the 1990s and 2000s. The driver's license analogy is in reality only applicable to constitutional carry, but in that case the negligible changes in gun homicide rates after the passage of CC laws begs the question "licensure to what end, other than your personal and subjective hatred of firearms?"
More broadly, I think that pondering how rights that we value need to be regulated to prevent misuse is important, but that cannot happen when one of the parties is negotiating in bad faith. I want all US citizens to vote, but I want to exclude non-citizens, felons and the deceased. I want all US citizens to have the RTKBA, but I want to exclude people who were kicked out of school for being essentially feral. I don't see any discussions on how to safely guarantee rights because every time I hear some version of that phrase, it's Beto talking about how people with a near-zero lifetime risk of killing someone need to give up their AR-15s for the common good.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:09 pm
by Soccerdad1995
MaduroBU wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:56 pm<SNIP>
All arguments for gun control are chaff around the only real argument: the wholly subjective belief that guns are bad. My absolute favorite is the argument that we should regulate guns just as we regulate cars, because it makes sense only if someone grossly misunderstands the substance and purpose of a driver's license. A driver's license only covers operation of a motor vehicle on public roadways, which in the context of the gun rights analogy means that gun owners only gained similar rights with the passage of LTC laws in the 1990s and 2000s. The driver's license analogy is in reality only applicable to constitutional carry, but in that case the negligible changes in gun homicide rates after the passage of CC laws begs the question "licensure to what end, other than your personal and subjective hatred of firearms?"
More broadly, I think that pondering how rights that we value need to be regulated to prevent misuse is important, but that cannot happen when one of the parties is negotiating in bad faith. I want all US citizens to vote, but I want to exclude non-citizens, felons and the deceased. I want all US citizens to have the RTKBA, but I want to exclude people who were kicked out of school for being essentially feral. I don't see any discussions on how to safely guarantee rights because every time I hear some version of that phrase, it's Beto talking about how people with a near-zero lifetime risk of killing someone need to give up their AR-15s for the common good.
You make some excellent points here. Actually if we want to apply the "guns should be regulated like cars" argument, then any regulation or license requirement for guns would only apply to my use of them on public property. If I am not shooting at a publicly owned gun range, then no regulation should be required, right? Also, there is the pesky problem that we are comparing the regulation of a right to the regulation of a privilege.
To the broader point, yes exact regulations need to be specific to the right, but they should be equitable. If the RKBA is dangerous because some otherwise law abiding gun owners cause death through negligence, then the right to vote is infinitely more dangerous because electing idiots to office causes far more death and suffering. If we want to require training for one of these rights, then require the same amount of training for the other. Apply the same test to the ridiculous "may issue" states. Let's do "may issue" for voting and require the applicant to show that they have a good reason why they "need" to vote, a reason that goes above and beyond the reasons all other citizens might have.
In effect, alot of this is about demonstrating the absurdity of these crazy "gun control" ideas by showing how patently absurd they would be if they were applied to any other right.
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
by der Teufel
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
???
Every article I've read said she was in her office when it began.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:04 pm
by RoyGBiv
How about we run them all out of office for violating their oath of office?
Today it would be easy to prove violations for lack of defense of (in many cases outright hostility towards) 1A.
It's all on the record. No gun talk required.
https://history.house.gov/Institution/O ... of-Office/
“I,_____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:06 pm
by RoyGBiv
der Teufel wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
???
Every article I've read said she was in her office when it began.
Just like Hillary's landing under sniper fire in Bosnia circa '96
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... 1420080326
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:07 pm
by powerboatr
der Teufel wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
???
Every article I've read said she was in her office when it began.
nope, she not at the capitol, she was a few streets over visiting another rep
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:27 pm
by der Teufel
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:07 pm
der Teufel wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
???
Every article I've read said she was in her office when it began.
nope, she not at the capitol, she was a few streets over visiting another rep
Apparently she was in her office, but her office is not in the capitol building per se.
The capitol police came and urged her to leave and hide, but rioters never actually entered the halls where her office is located.
Re: what a nutty plan
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:39 pm
by Pawpaw
der Teufel wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:27 pm
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:07 pm
der Teufel wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm
powerboatr wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:09 pm
not to change subject but AOC claimed she was hiding and gruff police had her escorted to a hiding spot. turns out SHE was not even at capitol during ht event
???
Every article I've read said she was in her office when it began.
nope, she not at the capitol, she was a few streets over visiting another rep
Apparently she was in her office, but her office is not in the capitol building per se.
The capitol police came and urged her to leave and hide, but rioters never actually entered the halls where her office is located.
Close, but incomplete. Pipe bombs had been found nearby, so the capitol police executed a calm and orderly evacuation of her building. They had people close, but not lock, their office doors.
Once they determined the pipe bombs could be safely removed, they allowed everyone to return to the building. This all happened before the protesters even entered the capitol building.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:58 am
by philip964
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 210967002/
Reparations study committee moves to House vote 30 years after proposed.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:43 pm
by philip964
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/arti ... emergency/
SheJack proposes new renter protection law during national emergency.
So landlords time to dump your rent houses now while prices are hot, while you can. Without the ability to evict tenants your future will be limited.
Of course you will have to get your tenants out to sell the house so you may already be in trouble.
Do you think this new law SheJack is proposing will increase the supply of housing for her constituents or make it worse.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:57 pm
by Oldgringo
Neither she nor the others of her ilk elect themselves. They are elected (?) by others of their calling. Let's start with positive voter I.D. requirements.
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee- Planet Moon edition
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:25 pm
by philip964
Re: Nobody but Sheila Jackson Lee - Planet Moon edition
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:57 am
by The Annoyed Man
She’s a special kind of stupid. My guess is that most of those students understood she was talking like a lunatic, but were too polite to point it out,