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No , so far it's not mentioned. But in the discussion of alternate comms we have to consider the possibility. Most of the politicians have no idea about ham radio. Ignoring real problems and knee jerk reactions to non existent problems are their forte'. In watching current events one has to wonder how long it will take. All it will take is some bozos utilizing radios to coordinate a perceived nefarious event to get that knee jerk.Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
There are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
They can track down any stationary HAM user any time they want pretty easily... fox and hound exercises show it doesn't take much. You operate at their pleasure. Same goes for any technology even E2E encrypted...Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
Just FYI, handheld's with low wattage UHF and intermittent transmissions are more difficult to locate/intercept (i.e. FRS radios). You won't be talking to a lot of people with those.chamberc wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 amThey can track down any stationary HAM user any time they want pretty easily... fox and hound exercises show it doesn't take much. You operate at their pleasure. Same goes for any technology even E2E encrypted...Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
I can guarantee you that those licensed operators had to be members of the communist party and in very good standing with political leadership. Comparatively to the US they were very few in number.Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
With satellite technology a transmitter can be pin pointed in seconds if they wish. Radar (another form of radio) emitters are pin pointed from aircraft all the time. A single ham operator with a mobile very directional antenna would need several minutes to triangulate a general vicinity of a local transmitter if it was continually or regularly transmitting. Cell phone towers locate the general vicinity of phones continually.chamberc wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 amThey can track down any stationary HAM user any time they want pretty easily... fox and hound exercises show it doesn't take much. You operate at their pleasure. Same goes for any technology even E2E encrypted...Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
Exactly. Nothing is perfect or fool-proof.2farnorth wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 amWith satellite technology a transmitter can be pin pointed in seconds if they wish. Radar (another form of radio) emitters are pin pointed from aircraft all the time. A single ham operator with a mobile very directional antenna would need several minutes to triangulate a general vicinity of a local transmitter if it was continually or regularly transmitting. Cell phone towers locate the general vicinity of phones continually.chamberc wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 amThey can track down any stationary HAM user any time they want pretty easily... fox and hound exercises show it doesn't take much. You operate at their pleasure. Same goes for any technology even E2E encrypted...Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
I know all this stretching the original topic of alternate coms, but if anyone is planning on these things they need to know all the details. There are faults in all systems. Runners/messengers are slow, mail is unreliable, smoke signals, flashlight morse code, and flags have be in visual range. Where does it end?
chamberc wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:09 amExactly. Nothing is perfect or fool-proof.2farnorth wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 amWith satellite technology a transmitter can be pin pointed in seconds if they wish. Radar (another form of radio) emitters are pin pointed from aircraft all the time. A single ham operator with a mobile very directional antenna would need several minutes to triangulate a general vicinity of a local transmitter if it was continually or regularly transmitting. Cell phone towers locate the general vicinity of phones continually.chamberc wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:33 amThey can track down any stationary HAM user any time they want pretty easily... fox and hound exercises show it doesn't take much. You operate at their pleasure. Same goes for any technology even E2E encrypted...Paladin wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 amThere are actually legal workarounds even if they did. Per international agreements, if you have dual citizenship and a listed foreign amateur radio license, the US has to let you use it here:Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
Operation in the US by Foreign Amateurs
Truthfully, even the Soviet Union had ham operators. Its how the Soviet's got contact with the outside world.
I know all this stretching the original topic of alternate coms, but if anyone is planning on these things they need to know all the details. There are faults in all systems. Runners/messengers are slow, mail is unreliable, smoke signals, flashlight morse code, and flags have be in visual range. Where does it end?
Good reasons to have close knit group that can communicate face to face.
) and a couple Wouxon 805G handhelds. Oh my goodness - haven't heard that in a long time - Unix to Unix Copy.RSX11 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:14 pm A good alternate form of communications would be UUCP. UUCP was used to distribute email and USENET newsgroups between computer systems long before the Internet existed. It is completely decentralized and would be very hard to shut down.
You are asking two separate and distinct questions. Let me answer each of them.Dave2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 am Has anyone actually threatened to shut down ham radios, or is this all hypothetical?
The U.S. did in fact suspended all Amature radio operation during WW 1 and WWII2farnorth wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:35 am The Feds can eliminate legal Amateur Radio any time they want too. All it would take is an edict from Biden/Harris. Just like Hitler did. There is no constitutional protection for us. But anyway, the constitution doesn't matter anymore to the usurpers. It's being stomped on every day.
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