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Rob72 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:24 am

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:10 am I'm not buying the "no big deal" propaganda.

This 30 year doctor in CA who is treating COVID19 patients seems to think it's a really big deal. Article here.

North Korea is lying foreign diplomats out of the country and there are reports of hundreds of deaths among soldiers who are not elderly or infirm.

This is clearly a big deal, and in a few weeks that fact won't be able to be denied here in the US either.

Not to be rude, but Dr. Fink is a Primary Care doc, 30 years of practice with no publications, and no documented work with NIAD, CDC, etc.. Commonly expressed, "he's gassing." Daily Mail is also a step or two below CNN, so...

'My biggest hope is that I am totally wrong, and that you will all wonder in a few weeks what the hell I was talking about.
But I have a pretty good track record, and I think you should take steps now to protect yourselves and your family.
There is little cost to taking extra precaution right now, and the earlier, the better.'

WildBill wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:52 am

Rob72 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:24 am

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:10 am I'm not buying the "no big deal" propaganda.

This 30 year doctor in CA who is treating COVID19 patients seems to think it's a really big deal. Article here.

North Korea is lying foreign diplomats out of the country and there are reports of hundreds of deaths among soldiers who are not elderly or infirm.

This is clearly a big deal, and in a few weeks that fact won't be able to be denied here in the US either.

Not to be rude, but Dr. Fink is a Primary Care doc, 30 years of practice with no publications, and no documented work with NIAD, CDC, etc.. Commonly expressed, "he's gassing." Daily Mail is also a step or two below CNN, so...

'My biggest hope is that I am totally wrong, and that you will all wonder in a few weeks what the hell I was talking about.
But I have a pretty good track record, and I think you should take steps now to protect yourselves and your family.
There is little cost to taking extra precaution right now, and the earlier, the better.'

According to the article, one of the infected people is a personal friend of Dr. Samuel Fink.
On his website he states that he is an associate clinical professor at UCLA Medical School, but the medical school
website does not list him as a faculty member. Interesting.

Rob72 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:24 am

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:10 am I'm not buying the "no big deal" propaganda.

This 30 year doctor in CA who is treating COVID19 patients seems to think it's a really big deal. Article here.

North Korea is lying foreign diplomats out of the country and there are reports of hundreds of deaths among soldiers who are not elderly or infirm.

This is clearly a big deal, and in a few weeks that fact won't be able to be denied here in the US either.

Not to be rude, but Dr. Fink is a Primary Care doc, 30 years of practice with no publications, and no documented work with NIAD, CDC, etc.. Commonly expressed, "he's gassing." Daily Mail is also a step or two below CNN, so...

Time will tell.

In 3 - 4 weeks we won't be guessing any more.

New advisory from the CDC:

If you're over 60 or have an underlying health condition, stock up on what you'll need for an undefined period of time and don't go out.

Article here

I don't remember them saying that about the seasonal flu.

The CV is spreading extremely rapidly, because its mechanism of infecting cells is completely different from that of flu, SARS and MERS.

If you do get infected, there is utterly NOTHING anybody can do about it. No treatment, nothing. The alvioli in your lungs will gradually stop passing oxygen into the blood, and you will simply die.... or... you won't. Period. All you can do is lay there and wait. You are helpless.

Younger people tend to show reduced symptoms, or maybe even none at all, while they are fully contagious and spreading it everywhere they go.

Here's an excellent summary of how CV is different from flu/SARS/MERS in its method of infection. In face, we don't fully understand how it works yet

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00660-x

Rob72 wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:48 am There are manymanymanymany people, who have very little knowledge, trying to get facetime on this. It is (tongue in cheek) nothing to sneeze at, neither is it likely to be the end of the Free World, as we know it.

Rob72 gets my vote for "internet win of the day."

My completely uninformed opinion is that the economic ripple effects are going to be worse than the virus itself, and take us much longer to recover from. It isn't just the knee-jerk stock market reaction, but the very real impact on the T&E sector and all the places it touches (as well as other sectors like retail supply chains and shipping/fulfillment services). Like a rock being dropped into a pond. Huge conferences and sporting and entertainment events are being canceled and those ripples extend to everything from airlines to hotel chains, to ad agencies to printing companies, to small restaurants and operator-owned cabs and Uber drivers. I have a feeling the US economy has already seen billions in losses, and that's going to be reflected in publicly reported earnings next quarter and rounds of layoffs in companies large and small.

I personally think the OPEC situation was a move aimed at Iran and taking advantage of their economic shambles and crumbling infrastructure. Only China and a couple of other nations are bucking the sanctions and still buying from Iran, but immediate demand has plummeted in China, will slowly come back, and if non-sanctioned oil is cheap it makes buying from Iran less attractive...especially if they're still fighting COVID-19 and their supply chain is weakened. I think the argument with Russia about pricing crude was about Iran, not the rest of the world. But it still gut-punched the Texas oil-based economy, especially the large number of small and midsize service operators all over the Gulf Coast. These folks aren't Exxon. They can't weather a few months of severely restricted cash flow without cutting jobs. And the parts and component manufacturers will see orders drop, and a lot of those are niche manufacturers and not big public companies. The big annual Offshore Technology Conference starts in just about 7 weeks, and they'll need to make a decision quick about cancelation. As international as the conference is, my bet is that it'll be canceled.

Just saw that Cuomo sent the National Guard to NYC burb New Rochelle in Westchester County to establish a "containment center," whatever that means. On the actual virus front, anybody but me think that the out-of-control homeless populations in dark blue cities like San Francisco and Seattle will end up being big-time problematic? These people don't go to doctors, and have hygiene that viruses call "paradise." If those populations become hold-out hotspots of the virus, how will Dem govs/mayors handle it? Will they risk the screams of socialist snowflakes and try to forcibly quarantine big sections of cities where the homeless populations are?

https://news.yahoo.com/china-closes-mak ... 13618.html

Only 40 new cases in China. Shutting down makeshift hospitals.

I’m hoping this is from the weather.

This is the best video explanation I’ve seen so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-8zhCgxtQ

Note that, towards the end, he does address the possible need for self-isolation and food storage; but he doesn’t freak out about it.

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:39 pm New advisory from the CDC:

If you're over 60 or have an underlying health condition, stock up on what you'll need for an undefined period of time and don't go out.

Article here

I don't remember them saying that about the seasonal flu.

That's crazy!! I'm not locking myself in my house for an indefinite period, just to avoid a cold. When Trump, Biden and Bernie decide to stay locked up at home, I might consider it!!

I’m sure that the left is now hanging their hopes on Covid-19 being their path to getting Trump out of office.

That being said, regardless of whether or not Covid-19 is going to meet the gloom and doom predictions- you do already have your basic FEMA recommended emergency supplies of food, water, medicines and other basic necessities, right?

Food and Water in an Emergency
https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/f%26web.pdf

Does anyone seriously think that the governor of New York is deploying the national guard to close all schools, shops, and churches in a one mile containment area in New Rochelle (just north of New York City) to prevent people from catching a cold?

Article here.

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:19 pm Does anyone seriously think that the governor of New York is deploying the national guard to close all schools, shops, and churches in a one mile containment area in New Rochelle (just north of New York City) to prevent people from catching a cold?

Article here.

A mayor who just happens to be a democrat and who love to see Trump defeated? Must not be any alterier motive there.

The New Rochelle mayor only said the guard would play a limited role. The action itself was taken by the state governor who controls the national guard within the state.

seph wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:28 pm

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:19 pm Does anyone seriously think that the governor of New York is deploying the national guard to close all schools, shops, and churches in a one mile containment area in New Rochelle (just north of New York City) to prevent people from catching a cold?

Article here.

A mayor who just happens to be a democrat and who love to see Trump defeated? Must not be any alterier motive there.

The New Rochelle mayor only said the guard would play a limited role. The action itself was taken by the state governor who controls the national guard within the state.

I thought he was calling them in to round up all the magazines with greater than 10rd capacity...

seph wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:28 pm

Excaliber wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:19 pm Does anyone seriously think that the governor of New York is deploying the national guard to close all schools, shops, and churches in a one mile containment area in New Rochelle (just north of New York City) to prevent people from catching a cold?

Article here.

A mayor who just happens to be a democrat and who love to see Trump defeated? Must not be any alterier motive there.

The New Rochelle mayor only said the guard would play a limited role. The action itself was taken by the state governor who controls the national guard within the state.

Will they have bullets in their firearms or be carrying clubs like when they are on the border?