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Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:52 pm
by lawrnk
seamusTX wrote:lawrnk wrote:As stated several times, and this is IMHO, it is not the duty of a congressman, or the POTUS to interpret the constitution. It is the inherent responsibility OF THE SCOTUS. Ron Paul needs to realize that and stop voting against kidnapped kids and soldiers.
What y'all are asking for is exactly what got us into the situation that we are in. If a future President and Congress pass a law saying that civilians cannot own semi-automatic weapons or any caliber larger than .32, it will sail right past the Supreme Court.
It is the
duty of the President and every member of Congress to
uphold the Constitution. They take an oath to that effect. No law infringing the right to keep and bear arms should ever have been brought to the floor in Congress, let alone be passed, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. All three branches of government have failed in this respect.
- Jim
Uphold. Exactly. This is Why Dr. No will be hearing that word alot.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:54 pm
by lawrnk
Peden sounds like an outstanding candidate!
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:45 pm
by KBCraig
lawrnk wrote:Peden sounds like an outstanding candidate!
His "comparison" page is so blatantly false that it would be actionable if this were not a political race. If it were against someone less peaceful than Ron Paul, it would certainly merit a good sock in the nose.
This "outstanding" candidate claims to have raised $174,000, all of it from "local addresses". Turns out that over $150,000 of that came from
one "local address", that being the address of William Chris Peden. The other listed donors are also named "Peden", and all gave the statutory maximum. Outside of people named Peden, he's only raised $8,000.
http://countyseat.blogspot.com/2008/02/ ... redux.html
http://countyseat.blogspot.com/2007/12/ ... pancy.html
I don't consider it to be a "good Christian" trait to be dishonest about either your opponent or the source of your funding.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:29 pm
by boomerang
locknload wrote:The choice seems to be between an ultra-liberal possible murdering abused wife, a possible Muslim apostate even worse liberal that might really be a Muslim in disguise, a nut case that calls himself a Constitutionalist, a nut case that might have sold his men out, and God only knows what else! Not a good position for the voters to be in. Not a good position for this country to be in. There is one solution to our problem. God said:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their evil ways; then, will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chron. 7:14.
His people's land is seven thousand miles east of here so I don't see how that helps with the elections in this country.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:19 am
by srothstein
lawrnk wrote:The constitution is the foundation of this country, not the rule book.
I strongly disagree. The Constitution IS the rule book for this country. All other rules must be within the rules specified there.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:03 am
by KBCraig
srothstein wrote:lawrnk wrote:The constitution is the foundation of this country, not the rule book.
I strongly disagree. The Constitution IS the rule book for this country. All other rules must be within the rules specified there.
Thank you.
I intended to go back to that statement, but got sidetracked.
The Declaration of Independence is the foundation. The Constitution is the rule book. Charter/Bylaws, for those of you who have dealt with clubs or organizations.
The idea that a patriotic American (and I have no reason to suspect lawrnk is anything but) could believe that the Constitution is not the rule book for how our country is to be governed... well, I'm just greatly saddened. And, frankly, dumbfounded at how to reply.
Kevin
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:45 am
by ElGato
And I think the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution should have much more time spent on them in the classroom, grades 1 through 12
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:39 pm
by KC5AV
boomerang wrote:locknload wrote:The choice seems to be between an ultra-liberal possible murdering abused wife, a possible Muslim apostate even worse liberal that might really be a Muslim in disguise, a nut case that calls himself a Constitutionalist, a nut case that might have sold his men out, and God only knows what else! Not a good position for the voters to be in. Not a good position for this country to be in. There is one solution to our problem. God said:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their evil ways; then, will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chron. 7:14.
His people's land is seven thousand miles east of here so I don't see how that helps with the elections in this country.
The quoted text does not deal primarily with land. It deals with
His people, who are not limited by any sort of geographical constraints, so the location of that land is irrelevant.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:27 pm
by locknload
KBCraig wrote:lawrnk wrote:Peden sounds like an outstanding candidate!
His "comparison" page is so blatantly false that it would be actionable if this were not a political race. If it were against someone less peaceful than Ron Paul, it would certainly merit a good sock in the nose.
This "outstanding" candidate claims to have raised $174,000, all of it from "local addresses". Turns out that over $150,000 of that came from
one "local address", that being the address of William Chris Peden. The other listed donors are also named "Peden", and all gave the statutory maximum. Outside of people named Peden, he's only raised $8,000.
http://countyseat.blogspot.com/2008/02/ ... redux.html
http://countyseat.blogspot.com/2007/12/ ... pancy.html
I don't consider it to be a "good Christian" trait to be dishonest about either your opponent or the source of your funding.
PROOF?

Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:30 pm
by locknload
boomerang wrote:locknload wrote:The choice seems to be between an ultra-liberal possible murdering abused wife, a possible Muslim apostate even worse liberal that might really be a Muslim in disguise, a nut case that calls himself a Constitutionalist, a nut case that might have sold his men out, and God only knows what else! Not a good position for the voters to be in. Not a good position for this country to be in. There is one solution to our problem. God said:
"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their evil ways; then, will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chron. 7:14.
His people's land is seven thousand miles east of here so I don't see how that helps with the elections in this country.
We, who believe are His, also. He came to the Jew, first, that the Jew might be saved. They received him not, then, He offered salvation to the Gentile, that the Jew might be saved. We are his people, too, with a mission to love, pray for, and save the Jew, who are His chosen nation, His inheritance. We are commanded to bless the Jew and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:32 pm
by KBCraig
locknload wrote:
PROOF?

You quoted my cites. Why are you wagging your finger at me, instead of reading them?
Re: Updated: Who will you vote for on Nov 2nd?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:17 pm
by stevie_d_64
Well...I still don't see anyone left (as of today) that is worth a flip...Nothing personal...
I'm going to do mah thang in the primary...Vote early and make myself feel better...Then make sure that I go down the ENTIRE ballot and get the conservatives I know ready for November...Then do it all over again...
By that time we will have sent our messages to the big boys, and hunker down for a couple of years till we can do this again in 2010...
Remember the pendulum swings both ways, and maybe the timing now, will curb a lot of damage to this country if we can keep a few from screwing things up...We need to turn the tide this time...2006 was a wake up call, and I stated as such right after that...And if we didn't get our ducks in a row it was going to be worse in 2008...Well, it seems I was right...But there is stilla chance we can correct a few things...
"Don't tell yo mama you voted [abbreviated profanity deleted] Obama!" tm