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Re: What did you expect?

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:16 pm
by dihappy
Briankey wrote:You can pretty much expect this type of treatment from them the majority of the time. Most of them don't have any respect for anything, the cracker comment proves that.
No, they aren't scared of the LEO's. I have been in your situation before, and I've always called there bluff, its simply an intimidation tactic to scare people, but most people aren't scared of them.
I completely disagree about calling their bluff. How do you think people get killed?

I have seen and heard of people getting shot for things like this. Go ahead and call their bluff, it would be very irresponsible of anyone to do so, especially if youve got a family and/or friends who care about you.

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:45 pm
by israel67
zigzag wrote:You have the right to defend if and ever threaten in a hostile manner. Good u were cool and watching both his hands. It could have ended in fatal encounter if things heated up. What were u carrying? Hope it was a glock.
What, so that it would have gone off accidentally ..?

*Heheheh...*

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:50 pm
by lunchbox
its been said but i will say it again

watch your back :txflag:


you can bet it wont be a fair fight next time should there be a next time

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:12 am
by KD5NRH
israel67 wrote:
zigzag wrote:You have the right to defend if and ever threaten in a hostile manner. Good u were cool and watching both his hands. It could have ended in fatal encounter if things heated up. What were u carrying? Hope it was a glock.
What, so that it would have gone off accidentally ..?
"You don't know who you're messing with. You see, I'm the only one profess..." <<BANG>> :eek6

"If I'll do that to myself, just think about what I'm gonna do to you when I get back from the hospital." :fire

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:06 am
by fm2
So, to get back on topic........
I will try to find a way to create more distance between myself and the BG, and be more aware of how my words could be preceived by the threatening party.
You can use language to create distance. Asking them "could you stay right there?" , rather that getting interogitory with them. Then you can escalate to telling them to "stop right there!". You can also use movement to create distance. Managing someone encroaching on you, trying to take up space is a situation that is covered in the Shivworks PUC DVD very well. I am working on a review of the PUC DVD for our videos section.

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:51 pm
by KBCraig
fm2 wrote:So, to get back on topic........
I will try to find a way to create more distance between myself and the BG, and be more aware of how my words could be preceived by the threatening party.
You can use language to create distance. Asking them "could you stay right there?" , rather that getting interogitory with them. Then you can escalate to telling them to "stop right there!".
I suggest direct verbal engagement. Predators expect their intended prey to be wary. They don't expect their mark to burst out with, "Yo, man, you got a dollar? I need to pay for this gas!"

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:25 pm
by Glock 23
longtooth wrote:
israel67 wrote:
Briankey wrote:Someone using the term "Cracker" in their post about White people is an ethnic slur no matter how its used, but when someone responds to a post doing the same thing its Illegal?. Your not making sense of your own rules your enforcing. If you want to be precise, then any ethnic slur is illegal regardless of how its used. I think that rule is vague and Two faced.
Forgive me for sticking my oar in here, but as a European, I have to ask: what does 'cracker' mean? Over here, it's a savoury biscuit.
Cracker is the racial insult that racist Blacks call White Anglo Americans.
It equates to a White calling the Black the "N" word.

Here a real cracker is still the savoury biscuit you mention. The go great w/ an apple for snack or w/ Crunchy Peanutbutter. I never grew up. :thumbs2:

Although, I must comment, it appears in public the "C" word can be used alot more often without repercussions than the "N" word. I see a double standard.

mmmmm, savory biscuits :clapping:

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:13 pm
by MAFWG
The origin of "cracker."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker

Hunter
(Who happens to be a Florida Cracker)

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:07 pm
by maximus2161
seamusTX wrote:My three cents' worth (inflation, you know):

1. As others have said, it worked out OK, so by definition you did the right thing. It could have gone worse, but you can't take "could have" to the bank.

2. The OP, TXGLOCK29, was on private property that he controls (has the power to allow or deny access), and he was doing his job at the time. This is much different from a random encounter in a public place.

3. This was a typical gang turf expansion move. TXGLOCK29 had to win, and he did.

- Jim
I absolutely agree with the above opinions.

Maybe these guys were all talk, then again maybe not. Many different ways this could have been handled and I think you did ok.

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:02 am
by israel67
Glock 23 wrote:Although, I must comment, it appears in public the "C" word can be used alot more often without repercussions than the "N" word. I see a double standard.
The 'c' word is very commonly used in Britain and the Commonwealth as a ...well, almost as a term of endearment, bizarre though that might sound. An Australian friend with whom I chat regularly on MSN, will often hail me with an, 'oi, c***!'. Last week, I bought two bicycles but couldn't get them here in France, so bought them via plastic in the UK, lending my friend in London the price of his as he's pretty broke. So he was able to go into the shop and pick 'em up and is now using his, with mine sitting in his hallway. I can't get over there yet, so although I own a fantastic Dawes bicycle, I can't use it. When he sent me an e-mail recounting his first ride on his, I responded with a jealous, 'Ah, ye're a c***!'

But I agree that the word is very, very offensive. At the beginning of the year, I was doing Short Cuts by Raymond Carver with my fourth years (probably 10th grade in the US), and as one of the short stories had a few swear words (Tell the Women We're Going, if my memory serves me correctly), I'd photocopied the pages and blanked out some of those words. Only problem is that one of the girls was off ill on the first day we did that short story, and when she came back in the next day, I'd left her copy of the story at home, so I photocopied it again, but of course forgot to blank the words out. As we're reading out in class, they came to a stop and asked, 'Sir, what's the word you've blanked out?' I replied that it wasn't important, and that if they really wanted to know, they could buy the book when they were older. The girl who had the 'uncensored' copy looked up and with obvious glee, yelled out the 'c' word at the top of her voice.

I then had to explain what the word was, its translation in French ('chatte'), and advise them not to use as it was (IMHO) the most offensive word in the English language. :smash:

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:04 am
by Liberty
This is a classic example of where obfuscation can lead one to read more into what was intended. The C word that Glock 23 was referring to is "Cracker".

"rlol"

mods must be sleeping late this morning

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:12 am
by aardwolf
israel67 wrote:
Glock 23 wrote:Although, I must comment, it appears in public the "C" word can be used alot more often without repercussions than the "N" word. I see a double standard.
The 'c' word is very commonly used in Britain and the Commonwealth as a ...well, almost as a term of endearment, bizarre though that might sound.
The 'n' word is commonly used in rap music as as a term of endearment. :smilelol5:

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:56 am
by israel67
Liberty wrote:This is a classic example of where obfuscation can lead one to read more into what was intended. The C word that Glock 23 was referring to is "Cracker".

"rlol"

mods must be sleeping late this morning
Ooooops ... am I gonna get me a deleted post??

Sorry mods ... :nono:

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:42 am
by Kalrog
israel67 wrote:
Liberty wrote:This is a classic example of where obfuscation can lead one to read more into what was intended. The C word that Glock 23 was referring to is "Cracker".

"rlol"

mods must be sleeping late this morning
Ooooops ... am I gonna get me a deleted post??

Sorry mods ... :nono:
Thank you for the laugh! Cultural differences are humorous sometimes and I'm sure no harm/no foul on this one.

Re: Almost pulled my gun today

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:23 am
by lunchbox
wait did you say your from Britain?????