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You know what, you can go ahead and not read what I say all you want, but when you start to misrepresent what I said back to me, that's where it ends. I would be all for two thousand people walking through security, or any other peaceful form of protest, but as I pointed out right at the beginning, the title of the thread is offensive because it glorifies a criminal act, not a rebellion.

the actual number of bus and train station VIPRs is less than half of the 8000 you cited, the number is right there in your citation, but all you could come up with was two anecdotal complaints about it.

One of you, also apparently disinclined to read ALL of what I posted, says I scare him. Well, I have a clue for you, it's the government you need to be scared of, as I pointed out long ago, I don't necessarily agree, but these are the facts, not rolling over, not making excuses, just factual statements of current conditions, that need to be changed.

So head off into your self-righteous indignation, i retire from the thread.

jimlongley wrote: One of you, also apparently disinclined to read ALL of what I posted, says I scare him. Well, I have a clue for you, it's the government you need to be scared of, as I pointed out long ago, I don't necessarily agree, but these are the facts, not rolling over, not making excuses, just factual statements of current conditions, that need to be changed.

Jim,

I believe this one is mine and I certainly did not mean to run you off. I did read what you wrote several times before I ever posted. To be clear, I never said you scared me, what I wrote for those disinclined to read it all was:

Dragonfighter wrote:But I must add, some of what you have written frightens me.

em added

Specifically the multiple references to theoretical rights being one thing while these assaults are not "actual" violations of rights because they are within the laws of the land. This kind of thinking frightens me, since you wrote statements like this some of what you have written frightens me.

FWIW, the government does scare me. The woman's actions in the OP, while understandable, was the wrong thing to do. I am sorry you are leaving the thread, since the conversation has expanded into a valuable exploration of philosophies. I will miss your input.

jimlongley wrote:You know what, you can go ahead and not read what I say all you want, but when you start to misrepresent what I said back to me, that's where it ends. I would be all for two thousand people walking through security, or any other peaceful form of protest, but as I pointed out right at the beginning, the title of the thread is offensive because it glorifies a criminal act, not a rebellion.

Where does rebellion start and criminal acts begin? That is a good question. Certainly, as has been pointed out before, when the founders of our nation rebelled it was a criminal act. They did not just touch someone's body they shot at the soldiers of what was then their monarch--that would be murder. Is what this woman did a criminal act--yes, but so is what the TSA agent did as well (though she is shielded from prosecution). One will receive some penalty for her actions (which at minimum were done under duress), the other will not. That is the point.

jimlongley wrote:The actual number of bus and train station VIPRs is less than half of the 8000 you cited, the number is right there in your citation, but all you could come up with was two anecdotal complaints about it.

That is what Pisotle said--so it makes one think-hmmmm "where were the other 4300 VIPR stings--we weren't told where they happened. Was it at the border (an actually legitimate place for the TSA to be) or was it at a sports stadium. We don't know, Pistole did not disclose that. Still 3700 at train and bus stations is a lot more than the 2 that you conceded to, and then acted like it was some sort of isolated incident and not TSA policy.

jimlongley wrote: One of you, also apparently disinclined to read ALL of what I posted, says I scare him. Well, I have a clue for you, it's the government you need to be scared of, as I pointed out long ago, I don't necessarily agree, but these are the facts, not rolling over, not making excuses, just factual statements of current conditions, that need to be changed.

So head off into your self-righteous indignation, i retire from the thread.

I am sorry you are so upset, but perhaps it can be understood considering your previous employment.