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...gotta warn you guys...preachers can eat a LOT of fried chicken, and seldom buy lunch!!!

speedsix wrote:...gotta warn you guys...preachers can eat a LOT of fried chicken, and seldom buy lunch!!!

Hey! I resemble that statement!

My stomach is a chicken graveyard!

...preachers don't get angel's wings...them's chicken feathers...but to be on subject...


...I don't have anything smaller than a 649 Smith...my paws don't do well with tiny(subcompact) guns...my position is that a J or K snub is so easy to carry, why go smaller??? The smallest semiauto I've carried for a primary is a P95...it hides easily...I've been tempted to buy a smaller 9...till I remember how hard it was for me to handle the PPK...I just need more in my fist...I believe that when preceded by "enough"...gun should always be plural...

speedsix wrote:...preachers don't get angel's wings...them's chicken feathers...but to be on subject...


...I don't have anything smaller than a 649 Smith...my paws don't do well with tiny(subcompact) guns...my position is that a J or K snub is so easy to carry, why go smaller??? The smallest semiauto I've carried for a primary is a P95...it hides easily...I've been tempted to buy a smaller 9...till I remember how hard it was for me to handle the PPK...I just need more in my fist...I believe that when preceded by "enough"...gun should always be plural...

It's all relative to the individual. The 238 fits my hand better than any gun heretofore. Note, it fits ~my~ hand. Everyone needs what works for THEM! For home defense, I have a much larger P226.

...it may BE relative...my P90 sticks closer than a brother...

strider67 wrote:

MadMonkey wrote:I was actually surprised at how accurate I was with my LCP the first time I took it out. I was able to keep all my shots on a standard-sized torso target at 15 yards... close-in was very good.

Honestly, sometimes I think I shoot smaller guns better than the larger ones. Less barrel flopping around, less weight, easier to hold straight on target... it all comes down to trigger control with them.

Out of curiosity, how do you best control the trigger on your LCP? I recently acquired one, and while improving, I am still pretty inconsistent beyond "close-in".

No idea, I suck at being an instructor... I just shoot

It feels awkward, but I do use the pad of my finger on the trigger. My hands are big, so the rest of my finger actually hits the frame before the break if I use the first joint. Also, if I already know my target and I'm ready to fire, I go ahead and take up about 2/3rds of the trigger as I come on target. That makes the rest of the trigger pull feel like a heavy single-action, or a heavy Glock trigger after reset. Saves me from the feeling of having a mile-long DAO pull... that was my biggest complaint about my Beretta 96D, the trigger pull was just too long for me. I'm much more accurate with the LCP, which is kinda sad

MadMonkey wrote:
No idea, I suck at being an instructor... I just shoot

It feels awkward, but I do use the pad of my finger on the trigger. My hands are big, so the rest of my finger actually hits the frame before the break if I use the first joint. Also, if I already know my target and I'm ready to fire, I go ahead and take up about 2/3rds of the trigger as I come on target. That makes the rest of the trigger pull feel like a heavy single-action, or a heavy Glock trigger after reset. Saves me from the feeling of having a mile-long DAO pull... that was my biggest complaint about my Beretta 96D, the trigger pull was just too long for me. I'm much more accurate with the LCP, which is kinda sad

I'll give that technique a whirl, I like the trigger-pull idea. Thanks...

I'm just not sure if my wife will hold that paper plate for me again out in the backyard.

...whassamatta...powder burns mess up her nails???

That's what I like about my P238: its a classic, 1911-style single-action. I can't stand the LOOOOOOOOOONNG trigger pull of DA or DA/SA semi-autos. Feels like the trigger on a kid's toy cap gun. Just a personal preference, of course, but that's my perspective.

Ruark wrote:That's what I like about my P238: its a classic, 1911-style single-action. I can't stand the LOOOOOOOOOONNG trigger pull of DA or DA/SA semi-autos. Feels like the trigger on a kid's toy cap gun. Just a personal preference, of course, but that's my perspective.

Appreciate the GREAT input/advice from the more experienced (note I never said "older") shooters. I also understand the better stability and accuracy of larger guns but have to have a pocket gun for my size/dress/line of work, which is why I wholeheartedly agree with the P238 advocates-- it is a great, easy-shooting and accurate pocket gun. It is also a beauty, IMHO. I have been looking for just the right 9mm pocket gun but can't find it. Just me, but the long trigger pulls in the LC9 and LCR (I know, not 9mm) resulted in me being a crappy shot with both, whereas I can quickly shoot very good groups (for me) with the P238. I've made the mental trade-off and will settle for lower power but far more accuracy with my .380 vs 9mm (again, in a small pocket gun-- I'll shoot .40 or .45 at home). I shoot ok with the Kahrs and may give them another try. Rohrbaugh is a little too pricy and finicky by reputation, Kimber Solo not bad but my range gun had a lot of FTF/FTE issues, Keltec just feels cheap. I'm going to give the Beretta Nano a good look but so far my P238 is my confident pocket gun.

Sandotex5 wrote: ... but the long trigger pulls in the LC9 and LCR (I know, not 9mm) resulted in me being a crappy shot with both, whereas I can quickly shoot very good groups (for me) with the P238. I've made the mental trade-off and will settle for lower power but far more accuracy with my .380 vs 9mm (again, in a small pocket gun-- I'll shoot .40 or .45 at home). I shoot ok with the Kahrs and may give them another try. Rohrbaugh is a little too pricy and finicky by reputation, Kimber Solo not bad but my range gun had a lot of FTF/FTE issues, Keltec just feels cheap. I'm going to give the Beretta Nano a good look but so far my P238 is my confident pocket gun.

If you can rent one at the range, if you haven't already, give the Ruger SR9C a try. Also, at the gun shows yesterday, I paid closer attention to the 'snubbies'. I have avoided snubbie revolvers like an ex-wife, since my aforementioned near failure to qualify with one. I always attributed my difficulties to just the small (and uncomfortable) grip, but I finally realized that the whole 'geometry' is different. Maybe it's just my 'high hold' grip from 1911's, but I saw that I was having to pull Up as well as back with my trigger finger. I guess I'll just never shot worth a darn with a revolver.

We have a P238 Equinox and after about putting about 600 rounds through it, I absolutely love it but dear wife does not like to shoot it since she has a difficult time getting on target. She has a bit of a tremor and the very short barrel makes it very difficult for her and she gets frustrated. She much prefers the Ruger SR40 and is pretty good with it.

The P238 is so easy to conceal, I carry it almost every possible opportunity. We just bought an M&P 9 compact and I'm hoping she will do well with it and use it for her carry. It's brand new so we're looking forward to some range time with it.

johncanfield wrote:We have a P238 Equinox and after about putting about 600 rounds through it, I absolutely love it but dear wife does not like to shoot it since she has a difficult time getting on target. She has a bit of a tremor and the very short barrel makes it very difficult for her and she gets frustrated. She much prefers the Ruger SR40 and is pretty good with it.

The P238 is so easy to conceal, I carry it almost every possible opportunity. We just bought an M&P 9 compact and I'm hoping she will do well with it and use it for her carry. It's brand new so we're looking forward to some range time with it.

By all means if the M&P works for her, go with it. BUT, if she wants to learn the 238, I think she could do it in time. Start closer to the target. Master close range. Then just a step farther next range trip, then farther the next, etc. Might be stretched over weeks, but if she can hit it at 3 yards, she can hit it at 15 with this technique. Like with all guns though, it is subjective to what feels good to her.

Wife found some unexpected cash in an old bank account-- told me to "Just go buy that Nano-thingy gun for Xmas from me and STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!" (I guess I'll keep her around for another 23 years). I couldn't find it at the local gun show (small show) but was able to get the display model at Bass Pro Shop, except that when I got home I realized there was not a manual in the case(?). I guess I'll have to get from Beretta or online; thankfully, Guns and Ammo had a very thorough review of the Nano last issue. Hope to do some shooting this weekend and compare to my P238, although I can't see myself parting with my little Sig-- I love that pretty little gun!