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...a gun taken for safekeeping from a CHL gives no probable cause for either a Criminal Background Check(on the GUN or the OWNER????) or a ballistics check...it wasn't fired in a crime...there WAS no crime involving the gun...and TWO MONTHS???? If we were given all the facts, TOTALLY unreasonable...they should have held it where they said they would for him to go by and pick it up...if it was going to be sent elsewhere...they should have told him...the only proof of ownership should be his Driver's License...matching the officer's report from when he accepted it for safekeeping or the RECEIPT that they should have issued him...

Howdy guys, my first post. It is not unusual for some local PD's to practice their own form of gun control. I know of 2 incidences where the gun was taken (one mva) and the owner was forced to go through red tape to get it back. The cops will slow step the process and drag it out as long they can.They have a very profound saying that they only share among themselves: "You may beat the rap, but you wont beat the ride" (to jail)

After getting tired of the dog and pony show, my friend (who had the mva in the Dallas area) contacted his state rep and his gun was returned fast. A few years ago Houston PD also was confiscating legal guns using this same practice. Be careful when dealing with leos, not all have a favorable attitude regarding chl.

I have been reading the posts to my Topic, and I have a question for all of you that say there has to be more to this story. What in your minds would constitute more, that I'am a Catholic , Jew, Gypsy, Homosexual, Long hair, ride a motorcycle or any other reason that a fascist government could start to discriminate against with the help of an ignorant public. Few rose up to protest when Hitler went after the Gypsies, the Jews and the others , nobody complained untill they came after them. Or for that matter Our Government when we the, "ignorant and frightened", rounded up JAPANESE AMERICANS in the maddness following Pearl Harbor Then it was to late for those who went before. Granted this might seem an extreme analogy, however there is truth to it. I understand to a degree "your" concerns of other or more info left out , however does it really matter what my ethnicity or life style have to do with this. FYI. Married 30 years to the same woman, a 30 year member in a International Building Trades Union, Blood donor, Proud son of an NRA member and (Elk) B.P.O.E. Both my Father and Grandfather served in WWII, and I could go on but won't. Any MORE concerns or have I made MY point. !!!!!

...you're exhibiting a heightened sensitivity...(yer shorts are in a wad) over nothing...the questions and comments don't reflect on you at all, but on the disbelief/outrage over what you're going through...and our amaze that LEOs in TX would do such a thing...and we're trying to make sure that we have all the facts to understand it better...maybe decaf would be a good choice, before you start such a tirade...you post such a thing on an open forum...you're going to be questioned...

...it would be courteous of you to answer the questions put to you by members trying to come to grips with why this happened...if you don't want to talk about it...why post it???

Well there you have it ... the Officer was probably a member of the Moose Lodge and saw you were an Elk.
Did y'all beat them in a charity ball game last year?


Some ask questions in case they are in similar situation.
Some ask because so many others in the past on forums ask questions and present only 1 side, and the rest comes out later.
Some ask out of disbelief that such a thing could occur in Texas (Anti-gun people/policies tend to sneak up on citizens who don't watch)

Keep us updated on the outcome, and what you have to go through to get your property back.

Jim Beaux wrote:Howdy guys, my first post. It is not unusual for some local PD's to practice their own form of gun control. I know of 2 incidences where the gun was taken (one mva) and the owner was forced to go through red tape to get it back. The cops will slow step the process and drag it out as long they can.They have a very profound saying that they only share among themselves: "You may beat the rap, but you wont beat the ride" (to jail)

After getting tired of the dog and pony show, my friend (who had the mva in the Dallas area) contacted his state rep and his gun was returned fast. A few years ago Houston PD also was confiscating legal guns using this same practice. Be careful when dealing with leos, not all have a favorable attitude regarding chl.

Welcome Jim, thanks

"contacted his state rep and his gun was returned fast"

Next time I post I will check with speed six to make sure no one could be ofended in an OPEN FORUM. To close to home?

Ash wrote: Few rose up to protest when Hitler went after the Gypsies, the Jews and the others

Really? Somewhere between 2.5 to 4 million allied troops in Europe during WWII, and that's "few"??

Ash wrote:Next time I post I will check with speed six to make sure no one could be ofended in an OPEN FORUM. To close to home?

"...however does it really matter what my ethnicity or life style have to do with this?" nobody mentioned EITHER your ethnicity or your lifestyle...where did THAT come from??? considering your responses to us, the questions asked by concerned and well-meaning members still remain unanswered...

Ash wrote:Next time I post I will check with speed six to make sure no one could be ofended in an OPEN FORUM. To close to home?

Ash... I was the one who stated that I knew such was occuring in Dallas as well as happened to my sons roomate in Stephenville (confiscation of gun and not returned), so I hope you will give some consideration to my note here. The only one who appears offended here is you. I have been on this forum for 4 years with these good men and nothing they said or asked was racist. By some saying "There has to be more to this" I took to be questioning whether (1) You could have had a felony record which could have made you ineligible and illegal to posses a firearm anyway (2) Possibly intoxicated thus illegally carrying, etc. While they may not have known such is occuring in some places, nothing that was said warranted your knee-jerk reaction here. In fact, that type of attitude can get you in deeper trouble with LEO's

speedsix wrote:

Ash wrote:Next time I post I will check with speed six to make sure no one could be ofended in an OPEN FORUM. To close to home?

"...however does it really matter what my ethnicity or life style have to do with this?" nobody mentioned EITHER your ethnicity or your lifestyle...where did THAT come from??? considering your responses to us, the questions asked by concerned and well-meaning members still remain unanswered...

Perhaps he decided the officer needed a lecture regarding Hitler and the Japanese...

sjfcontrol wrote:

Ash wrote: Few rose up to protest when Hitler went after the Gypsies, the Jews and the others

Really? Somewhere between 2.5 to 4 million allied troops in Europe during WWII, and that's "few"??

Only after Hitler had remilitarized the rhineland, annexed austria, annexed czechoslovakia, and then invaded poland. The British and French didn't do anything until after Poland was gobbled up, and even then their response was relatively weak until they realized they might be next. The Soviets did nothing until they were invaded and realized their divide European scheme wasn't going to be honoured, and we stood on the sideline until after the Soviets did most of the work. Which may very well be a good thing. We didn't have our superman cape then, and that might not have been so bad.

I know it's a tangent, but I couldn't resist. No one really wanted to fight the Nazis, and can you blame them? Atrocities aside, those guys were bad dudes.

KingofChaos wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

Ash wrote: Few rose up to protest when Hitler went after the Gypsies, the Jews and the others

Really? Somewhere between 2.5 to 4 million allied troops in Europe during WWII, and that's "few"??

Only after Hitler had remilitarized the rhineland, annexed austria, annexed czechoslovakia, and then invaded poland. The British and French didn't do anything until after Poland was gobbled up, and even then their response was relatively weak until they realized they might be next. The Soviets did nothing until they were invaded and realized their divide European scheme wasn't going to be honoured, and we stood on the sideline until after the Soviets did most of the work. Which may very well be a good thing. We didn't have our superman cape then, and that might not have been so bad.

I know it's a tangent, but I couldn't resist. No one really wanted to fight the Nazis, and can you blame them? Atrocities aside, those guys were bad dudes

Well, it sounds like you know a heck of a lot more about it than I. I just tried to lookup online the total European Allied response. On the other hand, I still submit that we (and the other allies) *did* respond. Late, maybe, but respond we did. And yes, this is off-topic.

...so was the comment that led into it...came out of left field...so it seems fair to me...

KingofChaos wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

Ash wrote: Few rose up to protest when Hitler went after the Gypsies, the Jews and the others

Really? Somewhere between 2.5 to 4 million allied troops in Europe during WWII, and that's "few"??

Only after Hitler had remilitarized the rhineland, annexed austria, annexed czechoslovakia, and then invaded poland. The British and French didn't do anything until after Poland was gobbled up, and even then their response was relatively weak until they realized they might be next. The Soviets did nothing until they were invaded and realized their divide European scheme wasn't going to be honoured, and we stood on the sideline until after the Soviets did most of the work. Which may very well be a good thing. We didn't have our superman cape then, and that might not have been so bad.

I know it's a tangent, but I couldn't resist. No one really wanted to fight the Nazis, and can you blame them? Atrocities aside, those guys were bad dudes.

And that is true, however we are looking at in in retrospect. Allied forces knew little about the death camps. Everyone knew of "resettlement" camps, but only at the end of the war was the death camps known. Not even German citizens were aware because they were put in other countries. Jews in the German ghettos heard rumors but even they did not believe it because Germans had freed Jews in WW1 from the Russians. There were rumors, but Allieds didn't put much stock in them because the Japanese had been told that Allieds would kill their babies and rape their women, so rumors of attrocities are told about every side. Only when the camps were freed did we see the full extent..and film it because Eisenhower said no one would believe it otherwise.

I think it's time to close this thread.........