Ted Nugent on the Civil War

[bigbang]

When did the term African-American come into vogue? When I was in school (granted, it was many moons ago), there were only three races: Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasion. Where and when did all of these other races show up?

I think it was around the time Injuns became Native Americans.

[TEX]

Interesting questions all.

I had thought about a Southern victory also and what it might have resulted in. I think the two (North and South) would have eventually reunited after slavery had vanished or as a condition of it ending. A reunited North and South would probably have resulted in less federal power and more power staying with the states. This might have been a good thing in the long run had it happened by at least 1890. I think there might have been a possibility that if Texas wasn't real happy with the new Confederate powers, they might have at that time gone back to being their own country which might have been nice, but could have been very risky and it would have really changed things up.

I also thought about how it would have affected the Spanish American war some 30 years later - would it have been a Yankee or Confederate ship that was sunk in Havana harbor, and would it have still resulted in a war with Spain.

Also had the North and South not reunited by the time of 1st and 2nd World Wars, how would things have turned out. In 1941, the South probably would not have gotten into the fight and this could have made a big difference in how long Germany stayed in power and whether Japan could be defeated. In my estimation, had Germany stayed in power two more years, they would have had atomic weapons and they had the making of intercontinental missiles. They would have gleefully used them on the Russians, and then backed the US and England off with the threat of using them on us – and I think they would have eventually hammered the Japanese - no evil cartel likes competition. Had all of that happened, Germany could have ended up controlling 75%+ of the world, which is a hell of a scary thought!

In such a world, imagine if some 100-200 years in the future Nazi time travel becomes a reality and a technician or operator who was a great study of history, surmises that a split United States was the key element in Nazi Germany surviving, and decided to transport himself to the Civil War and convinced Robert E. Lee of what would come to be if the South did not surrender and again become part of the United States. He certainly would have had technology with him that would have convinced Lee he was from the future. And what if the the very instant he had Lee convinced, he disappear because his great grandfather had been killed in by Allied forces. Background for a good science fiction history story – yes.

Of course he would have to find a way to destroy the machine and all research upon arrival back in time, or keep anyone from tracking where or when he went – of course, his very arrival back in time if he was (to be) successful would have meant no Nazi time machine to begin with, and then …..

What ifs are interesting and fun, but I tend to think things went exactly the way a certain power wanted them to go, for reasons beyond our reach.

[wharvey]

TEX - You have some good alternative history ideas. If you ever get around to writing the book(s), let us know.

[C-dub]

Interesting questions all.

I had thought about a Southern victory also and what it might have resulted in. I think the two (North and South) would have eventually reunited after slavery had vanished or as a condition of it ending. A reunited North and South would probably have resulted in less federal power and more power staying with the states. This might have been a good thing in the long run had it happened by at least 1890. I think there might have been a possibility that if Texas wasn't real happy with the new Confederate powers, they might have at that time gone back to being their own country which might have been nice, but could have been very risky and it would have really changed things up.

I also thought about how it would have affected the Spanish American war some 30 years later - would it have been a Yankee or Confederate ship that was sunk in Havana harbor, and would it have still resulted in a war with Spain.

Also had the North and South not reunited by the time of 1st and 2nd World Wars, how would things have turned out. In 1941, the South probably would not have gotten into the fight and this could have made a big difference in how long Germany stayed in power and whether Japan could be defeated. In my estimation, had Germany stayed in power two more years, they would have had atomic weapons and they had the making of intercontinental missiles. They would have gleefully used them on the Russians, and then backed the US and England off with the threat of using them on us – and I think they would have eventually hammered the Japanese - no evil cartel likes competition. Had all of that happened, Germany could have ended up controlling 75%+ of the world, which is a heck of a scary thought!

In such a world, imagine if some 100-200 years in the future Nazi time travel becomes a reality and a technician or operator who was a great study of history, surmises that a split United States was the key element in Nazi Germany surviving, and decided to transport himself to the Civil War and convinced Robert E. Lee of what would come to be if the South did not surrender and again become part of the United States. He certainly would have had technology with him that would have convinced Lee he was from the future. And what if the the very instant he had Lee convinced, he disappear because his great grandfather had been killed in by Allied forces. Background for a good science fiction history story – yes.

Of course he would have to find a way to destroy the machine and all research upon arrival back in time, or keep anyone from tracking where or when he went – of course, his very arrival back in time if he was (to be) successful would have meant no Nazi time machine to begin with, and then …..

What ifs are interesting and fun, but I tend to think things went exactly the way a certain power wanted them to go, for reasons beyond our reach.

That's exactly why time travel stuff really really hurts my head. There are just too many things that can mess the whole things up. What if someone has already done that and our reality has already been altered? What if Lee did win and the south remained separate? What if someone warned the British and they were able to defeat General Washington and we lost the Revolution. WHOA!

See why I hate those paradoxes?

[jimlongley]

One of my favorite science fiction short stories is based on such a scenario.

The short form is that you can travel back in time, and you must stay on carefully planned paths, don't touch anything, don't do anything except look, and most of all, don't kill anything.

So Joe Blow travels back in time, and is walking along the path when a grasshopper like insect happens to land right where his foot is going to land, and he squashes it.

Filled with trepidation he returns to the capsule and travels back to his own time where, after his arrival, he extrudes a mouth and glorbles to his phranik Pladdle, that all of the warnings were just a little overly paranoid, as quite obviously nothing has changed, as he slithers out of the room.

Or something like that.

So how do we know it hasn't already happened?

[sjfcontrol]

I propose a new rule. A thread has officially "jumped the shark" whenever the subject of Nazi time travel machines is brought up. Especially if their purpose is to change the outcome of the Civil War.

[mr surveyor]

I didn't open the original link to find out what Uncle Ted had to say. I'm sure not going there now....yep...I'm skeered