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Jumping Frog wrote:It is not out of character for F-troop to have one person verbally approve something as no problem and then someone else countermand that and prosecute.

Yeah, I think I heard of something called "Fast and Furious" that went down that way.

BATFE doesn't actually prosecute crimes, as far as I know. Usually this kind of thing comes into the light of day at the local level (city cops or county sheriff) and gets escalated up to the U.S. attorney.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:BATFE doesn't actually prosecute crimes, as far as I know.

True, they can arrest for charges, but it is the US DA that actually pursues the charges in court. Like any LEO.

Almost all of the F-troop's arrests are of otherwise law-abiding citizens who make paperwork or other technical errors.

BATFE nails people for victimless paperwork violations the same way they nail terrorists, wannabe terrorists, and kooks who make pipe bombs. It's a shame they can't make some legitimate distinction, but it has been that way for decades.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:BATFE nails people for victimless paperwork violations the same way they nail terrorists, wannabe terrorists, and kooks who make pipe bombs. It's a shame they can't make some legitimate distinction, but it has been that way for decades.

That's not fair. They nail a lot more people for victimless paperwork violations. It's easier and a lot safer than going after violent criminals.

Yeah, and a lot more people are convicted of tax evasion or obstruction of justice than actual violent crimes. That's just the way it is.

- Jim

Jumping Frog wrote:

seamusTX wrote:BATFE doesn't actually prosecute crimes, as far as I know.

True, they can arrest for charges, but it is the US DA that actually pursues the charges in court. Like any LEO.

Almost all of the F-troop's arrests are of otherwise law-abiding citizens who make paperwork or other technical errors.

F-Troop?

WildBill wrote:F-Troop?

F-Troop. BAT-Men. Take your pick.

WildBill wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

seamusTX wrote:BATFE doesn't actually prosecute crimes, as far as I know.

True, they can arrest for charges, but it is the US DA that actually pursues the charges in court. Like any LEO.

Almost all of the F-troop's arrests are of otherwise law-abiding citizens who make paperwork or other technical errors.

F-Troop?

What I normally call them would get me modded in these forums ...

Drive up.
Van or SUV.
Bring "items" and the gifter with you.
Be carefull if you stop overnight.
Driving straight through, if capable of same, is safer.
WATCH THE SPEED LIMITS AND SAFETY REGULATIONS.
[i.e. don't have a cause for being stopped.]
And have a document of each "item" and even photos are very helpful.
The far end of the line is....How many "items" are there?
Five or six, no sweat.
A dozen or more....be carefull.
My free opinion, I would be grateful, be careful, document the gifting, and not worry about FFL.
BUT, that is only my opinion, and I have displayed--twenty some years ago--at out of state gun shows, and traveled freely without worry.
Now I wasn't even nervous when awarded a speeding ticket outside of Lake Charles West bound from a gun show in Baton Rouge.
Remember the 55mph speed limits?
Thank goodness the two Louisiana State "worthies" didn't inquire about the VW Rabbit's sagging rear end!
All that aquired stuff, you know. Sold 15, bought 18 more to bring home. Not going to gun shows then to make a profit, it seemed.

coastie wrote:My free opinion, I would be grateful, be careful, document the gifting, and not worry about FFL.
BUT, that is only my opinion, and I have displayed--twenty some years ago--at out of state gun shows, and traveled freely without worry.
...
All that aquired stuff, you know. Sold 15, bought 18 more to bring home. Not going to gun shows then to make a profit, it seemed.

I am sorry, but you simply cannot come into these forums and make a post telling someone to break the law.

It is crystal clear that interstate firearms transfers between individuals who are non-federal firearms licensees must get transferred through an FFL. Failure to do so is a federal felony punishable by 10 years imprisonment and a $10,000 fine per firearm. The only exception are firearms bequested via inheritance after a death.

If you were traveling to out of state gun shows and purchasing or selling those firearms to individuals instead of FFL's, you were also committing multiple federal felonies. I am not even going to get into the question of whether selling 15 and buying 18 guns was to make a profit acting as an illegal firearms dealer or not, simply the fact you did it out of state alone was illegal.

So I would point out to the other individuals reading the thread to consider the above advice accordingly.