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RPBrown wrote:The only thing I am saving under obummer is ammo. Thats because i cant find any

You've got that right - and afraid to shoot what you do have because you don't know if and when it can be replaced.

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Children won't be covered, insurance rates will skyrocket and many employer-based insurance plans will be dropped - that's according to federal agencies, not partisans.

The central parts of ObamaCare don’t roll out until 2014, but the wheels are already falling off this clunker. The latest news from four federal agencies is that 1) insurance will be a lot less affordable than Americans were led to expect, 2) fewer people than promised will get insurance and 3) millions of people who have coverage through a job now will lose it, thanks to the president’s “reforms.” Oh, and children are the biggest victims.

baldeagle wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... U80hDpcKZP

Children won't be covered, insurance rates will skyrocket and many employer-based insurance plans will be dropped - that's according to federal agencies, not partisans.

The central parts of ObamaCare don’t roll out until 2014, but the wheels are already falling off this clunker. The latest news from four federal agencies is that 1) insurance will be a lot less affordable than Americans were led to expect, 2) fewer people than promised will get insurance and 3) millions of people who have coverage through a job now will lose it, thanks to the president’s “reforms.” Oh, and children are the biggest victims.

I believe that this is all following the original design. The architects of this travesty wanted a single payer system. They knew that the single payer setup would not be accepted by the public so they orchestrated a collapse of the current system, creating the single payer option as the only option. They knew that it would take a catastrophic result to gain the missing acceptance.

The sad part is that they will likely succeed in blaming the collapse on the "greedy insurance companies" and others. There are often threads that talk about the lack of personal responsibility today. This is an example of the lack of governmental responsibility. It makes me sick to my stomach.

chasfm11 wrote:The sad part is that they will likely succeed in blaming the collapse on the "greedy insurance companies" and others.

Only because 1) people (i.e. - voters) are too stupid to think through the consequences and 2) those "greedy insurance companies" won't fight back.

chasfm11 wrote:

baldeagle wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... U80hDpcKZP

Children won't be covered, insurance rates will skyrocket and many employer-based insurance plans will be dropped - that's according to federal agencies, not partisans.

The central parts of ObamaCare don’t roll out until 2014, but the wheels are already falling off this clunker. The latest news from four federal agencies is that 1) insurance will be a lot less affordable than Americans were led to expect, 2) fewer people than promised will get insurance and 3) millions of people who have coverage through a job now will lose it, thanks to the president’s “reforms.” Oh, and children are the biggest victims.

I believe that this is all following the original design. The architects of this travesty wanted a single payer system. They knew that the single payer setup would not be accepted by the public so they orchestrated a collapse of the current system, creating the single payer option as the only option. They knew that it would take a catastrophic result to gain the missing acceptance.

The sad part is that they will likely succeed in blaming the collapse on the "greedy insurance companies" and others. There are often threads that talk about the lack of personal responsibility today. This is an example of the lack of governmental responsibility. It makes me sick to my stomach.

It's just another repetition of the Cloward-Piven Strategy. They tried it first with Welfare, and then later by corrupting voter qualification, and now it's an attack on the nation's healthcare system. The people who do this are enemies of the state in its most fundamental meaning.

chasfm11 wrote:

baldeagle wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... U80hDpcKZP

Children won't be covered, insurance rates will skyrocket and many employer-based insurance plans will be dropped - that's according to federal agencies, not partisans.

The central parts of ObamaCare don’t roll out until 2014, but the wheels are already falling off this clunker. The latest news from four federal agencies is that 1) insurance will be a lot less affordable than Americans were led to expect, 2) fewer people than promised will get insurance and 3) millions of people who have coverage through a job now will lose it, thanks to the president’s “reforms.” Oh, and children are the biggest victims.

I believe that this is all following the original design. The architects of this travesty wanted a single payer system. They knew that the single payer setup would not be accepted by the public so they orchestrated a collapse of the current system, creating the single payer option as the only option. They knew that it would take a catastrophic result to gain the missing acceptance.

The sad part is that they will likely succeed in blaming the collapse on the "greedy insurance companies" and others. There are often threads that talk about the lack of personal responsibility today. This is an example of the lack of governmental responsibility. It makes me sick to my stomach.

This is it exactly!

Let's see...

I'm a self employed doctor. I get 1099 income. I get no "earned income tax credit," government subsidy, or any of the other nonsense. Roughly half my patients are Medicaid. Since Obamacare passed and this idiot got reelected, my overhead has increased at least 10%, my taxes have increased at least 5%, I'm wasting exponentially more time arguing with Medicaid to get them to pay for things, I now have a total of 5 different attorneys on retainer for different things, my cost of providing care (to the taxpayer, btw) has increased because I'm forced to consult out more things, order more diagnostic tests, and keep patients longer for liability reasons, I've stopped providing some services, and my own health insurance cost has gone from about $400 a month to almost $600. My malpractice insurance is costing more. I'm spending more time fighting malicious complaints and other nonsense from the looters who are upset I didn't prescribe their teenager oxycodone or something.

Most of us are looking for other things to do. A lot of us are opting out of Medicaid. Others are opting out of third party payer systems entirely and requiring that patients pay and then fight with their own damned insurance company. Concierge care is popping up.

Just last week, some patient was very upset because her child was in for something very minor and my nurse practitioner (who I've had to hire to deal with the bull) saw her. I didn't. Guess what, lady: You voted for it.

Look at it this way. You're on Medicaid. You decide to get pregnant and have a baby you can't afford. It happens to be a healthy boy. You want the child circumcised, which is a procedure with questionable medical benefit, dubious ethical foundation, carries a huge liability, and is a thing where anything that happens (like a little swelling, which is normal) results in someone threatening to sue you. Your Medicaid crowd is largely uneducated, entitlement-mentality, looting twits. Some aren't, but enough are. Do you know what we bill for a circumcision? $500 for the physician's fee, which is about fair. Do you know what Medicaid pays? $74. 40% of the $74 goes to get the other 60%. Since I can't balance bill Medicaid patients, I eat a 90% loss. It *costs* me money to perform the damned procedure.

And by the way, America, when your child is critically ill and about to die, Medicaid pays me something like 20% of that Humana PPO does.

Why the hell would anyone work under these conditions? And go single payer and people, including myself, will have no CHOICE but to quit.

And all this while the value of the dollar is falling down a pit to Hell. (And by the way, Mr. President, raising the minimum wage while continuing to sock it to "the rich" and "greedy corporations" is going to do nothing but cause inflation overnight, make us less competitive in the world marketplace, and drive our own jobs out of the damned country.)

America, this is the _______ you voted for. Now wallow in it.

The Annoyed Man wrote: It's just another repetition of the Cloward-Piven Strategy. They tried it first with Welfare, and then later by corrupting voter qualification, and now it's an attack on the nation's healthcare system. The people who do this are enemies of the state in its most fundamental meaning.

lets see: deductible tripled, no copay, my portion after deductible doubled, prescriptions doubled, the doc's contracted cost under the ins doubled....

As Lonestardoc says, more and more docs are throwing in the towel. My gp in San Antonio decided it wasn't worth the fight and re-enlisted in the military. He decided he would just go back to treating soldiers and get a regular paycheck without all the additional headaches and liability. For those that don't have that option, many are reducing the services they provide, stop taking third pay payer reimbursement or retire.

While our healthcare and health insurance systems needed improvement, what we ended up with is a designed disaster that will lead us to single payer.

It's even more apparent after last night's speech, the president's answer to everything is more federal government involvement.

The saddest part of it is, WE allowed him to be elected and then re-elected.

not sure but since jan we are seeing about $200 less a month, to keep our insurance costs down we went with high deductable $6000 a year out of pocket, we dont use Dr much so maybe it will work out in the end.

The progressives/collectivists/socialists will be using food, fuel, and health care as weapons.

Food - there will be none except for the washington/state/local elites.

Fuel - will be rationed except for the elite's motorcades/transportation, LEO, and military.

Healthcare - only the elites, the beautiful and young , will receive healthcare.

Everyone else will die, starve, freeze, a miserable death.

Welcome to the usa version of stalin's world.

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