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Is being a Mac owner equivalent to being a Glock owner?

Anygunanywhere

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have noticed that a lot of folks say a Mac is okay because it can be set up to boot as either a PC or a Mac? So a Mac is okay because it can act like a PC and it only costs three times as much to be able to get around to being a PC.

Hmmmmmm

I think I'll keep the PC for 1/3 the price and not have to go through the transformation from Mac to PC.

Bye again!

Chas.

It doesn't need to be dual-booted. You can run windows in a Mac window using either Vmware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. This gives you the ability to run programs on the Mac that have no Mac equivalents. Legacy programs, etc. So then you can switch back and forth between Mac programs and Windows programs just by switching between windows.

anygunanywhere wrote:Is being a Mac owner equivalent to being a Glock owner?

Anygunanywhere

It's more like being a VW Beetle owner. In fact, you can coordinate shades of tangerine so they match.

sjfcontrol wrote:It doesn't need to be dual-booted. You can run windows in a Mac window using either Vmware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. This gives you the ability to run programs on the Mac that have no Mac equivalents. Legacy programs, etc. So then you can switch back and forth between Mac programs and Windows programs just by switching between windows.

Not only that, but Mac hardware lasts (and stays relevant) a LOT longer than PC hardware. We continued to use 2 "pop-click-zooms"* (the original G3 iMan all-in-ones) for the kids until we upgraded last year. They were each about 10+ years old and ran all but the absolute latest software. When we upgraded our home systems, we donated the G3s to another family for their kid's homeschool group.

Now we are running a 2006 iMac, a 2011 MacMini, a 2012 MacMini, and a 2012 27" iMac. All systems have Office 2011 for Mac installed as well as iWork '09. Even the 2006 iMac outperforms most of today's modern PCs. Unless something happens to it, we won't be upgrading it for several more years. For Windows-based apps (of which we only have one), we've installed Parallels Desktop on the 27" iMac and simply run it when that one application is needed.

Look at it this way, PCs typically need replaced every 2 years to stay current. Yet Macs continue to run current software for 10+ years. So you can buy a new PC every 2 years (at an average cost of $500/desktop/year = $2500) or by a 27" iMac for $1800 and have it last 10 years. All in all, Macs are the best bang for the buck.

* They were given the nickname "pop-click-zoom" because of the sound they make on boot.

RottenApple wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:It doesn't need to be dual-booted. You can run windows in a Mac window using either Vmware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. This gives you the ability to run programs on the Mac that have no Mac equivalents. Legacy programs, etc. So then you can switch back and forth between Mac programs and Windows programs just by switching between windows.

Not only that, but Mac hardware lasts (and stays relevant) a LOT longer than PC hardware. We continued to use 2 "pop-click-zooms"* (the original G3 iMan all-in-ones) for the kids until we upgraded last year. They were each about 10+ years old and ran all but the absolute latest software. When we upgraded our home systems, we donated the G3s to another family for their kid's homeschool group.

Now we are running a 2006 iMac, a 2011 MacMini, a 2012 MacMini, and a 2012 27" iMac. All systems have Office 2011 for Mac installed as well as iWork '09. Even the 2006 iMac outperforms most of today's modern PCs. Unless something happens to it, we won't be upgrading it for several more years. For Windows-based apps (of which we only have one), we've installed Parallels Desktop on the 27" iMac and simply run it when that one application is needed.

Look at it this way, PCs typically need replaced every 2 years to stay current. Yet Macs continue to run current software for 10+ years. So you can buy a new PC every 2 years (at an average cost of $500/desktop/year = $2500) or by a 27" iMac for $1800 and have it last 10 years. All in all, Macs are the best bang for the buck.

* They were given the nickname "pop-click-zoom" because of the sound they make on boot.

If you compare oranges to oranges, $3,000 worth of high end PC hardware will last as long as an Apple. Comparing a $500 desktop to a $3,000 Apple is unfair. Most anecdotes I've heard from friends and family are doing this.

Also, I've had the opposite experience with software. I have two Apples from '06 that are essentially worthless because the software is no longer supported. Yet, I'm still using a well-functioning PC from 2002 that is running Windows XP and hasn't skipped a beat. BTW, that PC has never had a virus or a blue screen, either. Apple also charges mightily for feature upgrades to the OS. . . on devices and computers.

No thanks.

If Microsoft doesn't ditch that Windows 8 overlay, my next desktop computer will be an Apple product.

RottenApple wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:It doesn't need to be dual-booted. You can run windows in a Mac window using either Vmware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. This gives you the ability to run programs on the Mac that have no Mac equivalents. Legacy programs, etc. So then you can switch back and forth between Mac programs and Windows programs just by switching between windows.

Not only that, but Mac hardware lasts (and stays relevant) a LOT longer than PC hardware. We continued to use 2 "pop-click-zooms"* (the original G3 iMan all-in-ones) for the kids until we upgraded last year. They were each about 10+ years old and ran all but the absolute latest software. When we upgraded our home systems, we donated the G3s to another family for their kid's homeschool group.

Now we are running a 2006 iMac, a 2011 MacMini, a 2012 MacMini, and a 2012 27" iMac. All systems have Office 2011 for Mac installed as well as iWork '09. Even the 2006 iMac outperforms most of today's modern PCs. Unless something happens to it, we won't be upgrading it for several more years. For Windows-based apps (of which we only have one), we've installed Parallels Desktop on the 27" iMac and simply run it when that one application is needed.

Look at it this way, PCs typically need replaced every 2 years to stay current. Yet Macs continue to run current software for 10+ years. So you can buy a new PC every 2 years (at an average cost of $500/desktop/year = $2500) or by a 27" iMac for $1800 and have it last 10 years. All in all, Macs are the best bang for the buck.

* They were given the nickname "pop-click-zoom" because of the sound they make on boot.

My 8 year old, self-built Windows desktop cost $1,100 back then. Today you can buy new hardware with the same or better specs for about $500. It still runs like a champ. I keep it well ventilated and clean out the dust every 6 to 12 months. (It even runs Windows 7 very well, haven't tried Win 8 yet)

People are fooled into believing they need more than they actually need. Also, most people aren't smart about the software they install, which slows down their computer, and can eventually damage it due to overheating.

Also I have a 9 year old Windows laptop (HP Compaq, built very well then). It still works moderately well. It's slower now due to it's age. I gave it to my dad and bought myself a new Lenovo laptop, great specs and only $380.

StevenFromTexas wrote:If Microsoft doesn't ditch that Windows 8 overlay, my next desktop computer will be an Apple product.

There are a lot of 3rd party, free programs you can use to modify and tweak the GUI. Not so much with MACs though.

If you mean the Tiles, that can be turned off too.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I'll bet this turns into one of the biggest arguments we've had on the Forum. The thread started last night at 7:26 pm and 15 1/2 hours later we are on our third page. Oh this is going to be fun. Thanks to the OP for starting this. It's going to be a great recruiting tool when people join the Forum to weight in on this Ford v. Chevy fight. Maybe they'll also join the NRA and the Texas Firearms Coalition too!

Chas.

Sorry about that Charles. Does it really feel like an argument? I'm actually learning quite a bit about Macs. They do sound like a great machine.

I told the wife today that I asked this question here and was considering a Mac. She just rolled her eyes at me when I told her where they started at price wise. I will still have to check with my employer's IT guys to see if there will be any problems, but I think I'm warming up to that 27" iMac.

E2P989 wrote:

StevenFromTexas wrote:If Microsoft doesn't ditch that Windows 8 overlay, my next desktop computer will be an Apple product.

There are a lot of 3rd party, free programs you can use to modify and tweak the GUI. Not so much with MACs though.

If you mean the Tiles, that can be turned off too.

I had to laugh when I read this. Macs have the full range of open source (free) software available to them. There isn't anything you can do to a Windows gui that you can't do to a Mac. You also have all the Unix desktops available to you, including KDE, Gnome, Afterstep, Fluxbox, etc., etc., ad nauseum ad infinitum. Plus there are window managers (GUIs to you Windows folks) written specifically for the Mac, including (but not limited to) Optimal Layout, Flexiglass and Slate.

The fact is most people know very little about their OSes. For example, I recently got a new Windows desktop (custom built) running Windows 7. I wanted to change the default behavior of the Shutdown button to Switch User (because it's easier for my wife to understand that then using the menu.) While researching the issue I discovered there were tons of freeware programs allowing you to do what the OS already allows you to do - choose the default behavior of the button. Thousands of people have installed those programs because they didn't even bother to find out what the OS was capable of without modification or installing additional programs.

anygunanywhere wrote:Is being a Mac owner equivalent to being a Glock owner?

Anygunanywhere

Hardly. Based on price and performance, Glocks are like Google Nexus 7 & 10 tablets.
Perhaps that makes iPads like HK, insofar as they do basically the same thing at twice the price.

apostate wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Is being a Mac owner equivalent to being a Glock owner?

Anygunanywhere

Hardly. Based on price and performance, Glocks are like Google Nexus 7 & 10 tablets.
Perhaps that makes iPads like HK, insofar as they do basically the same thing at twice the price.

...except that Apple doesn't hate you, and you don't suck.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

apostate wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Is being a Mac owner equivalent to being a Glock owner?

Anygunanywhere

Hardly. Based on price and performance, Glocks are like Google Nexus 7 & 10 tablets.
Perhaps that makes iPads like HK, insofar as they do basically the same thing at twice the price.

...except that Apple doesn't hate you, and you don't suck.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have noticed that a lot of folks say a Mac is okay because it can be set up to boot as either a PC or a Mac? So a Mac is okay because it can act like a PC and it only costs three times as much to be able to get around to being a PC.

Hmmmmmm

I think I'll keep the PC for 1/3 the price and not have to go through the transformation from Mac to PC.

Bye again!

Chas.

Some folks accept change better than others. For those of you that hate Mac, stop using products that have done everything possible to copy the Mac platform. (Windows, Android, tablets) Mac offers the ability to run a windows environment to allow those who are forced to use legacy programs or interface with their work environments on the PC platform. Nobody in thier right mind would buy a Mac to willingly run an inferior platform. The fact of the matter is that Mac has influenced and pioneered everything from the PC market, music industry, tablets, and telephones. Everyone is in a race to be just like Mac and most have failed miserably like Windows. Amazing how every new version attempts to keep up with Mac but just can't. I will gladly pay the extra money to reward those who are responsible for inovation and creativity rather than those that just copy. A decked out PC with a 27" monitor of the quality you find in an iMac is not going to cost you $500 bucks. 27" iMac is $1500 to $1700 depending on options not $3000. That price tag is not that far off of a similarly equiped PC. Let's stop the silly arguments over cost. Go ahead and buy your $500 emachines every 2 years, at least we all agree they are disposable. I just happen to think they belong in the trash sooner than you do. (2 years sooner to be exact)

I also find it interesting to see how many people comment negatively on Mac and have absolutly no experience with one other than what they have heard. Probably the same bunch that hate Glocks because those plastic guns can get through security at airports. I better be careful about what I say...I like Mac and Glock, that makes me a double threat on this forum.