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I'm for the reduction but the instructor has a major impact on the course. My instructor main gave us a sales pitch for CHL as a course. Everyone passed but a friend who took it with me still struggles with what's the law. I mention on this board how disappointed I was with my instructor and course and several offer to let me sit in their class (Thanks Justin). The difference was amazing I walked out with a lot of useful information.

My point is if the course is reduced in hours it needs to be more set or if it is set then audited better. I understand instructor don't want more government oversight but not everyone is at the top of their game.

to those who do their best

I am with you on that one. I strongly feel that if DPS truly wanted to improve the program, they would be auditing the CLASSES, not the paperwork.

Sure wish we could get more members to chime in. I don't understand the lack of responses to polls on the forum.

jmra wrote:Sure wish we could get more members to chime in. I don't understand the lack of responses to polls on the forum.

I haven't voted because I'm not sure where I stand on this. Ten hours is a long time but I find that I still feel cramped at getting in the info I think we are supposed to teach. I don't have a lot of fluff and stuff and not much time is spent on hypothetical "what-ifs". As a vertern school teacher I understand how to manage a class, not that I always do it well, but I don't let it get out of hand.

My question is what will be required and what will be cut?

I don't necessarily oppose a 4 or 6 hour course (+range) but if I still have to teach the same info in a shorter time then I don't know how I will do it short of speed reading it off of a PowerPoint slide.

troglodyte wrote:

jmra wrote:Sure wish we could get more members to chime in. I don't understand the lack of responses to polls on the forum.

I haven't voted because I'm not sure where I stand on this. Ten hours is a long time but I find that I still feel cramped at getting in the info I think we are supposed to teach. I don't have a lot of fluff and stuff and not much time is spent on hypothetical "what-ifs". As a vertern school teacher I understand how to manage a class, not that I always do it well, but I don't let it get out of hand.

My question is what will be required and what will be cut?

I don't necessarily oppose a 4 or 6 hour course (+range) but if I still have to teach the same info in a shorter time then I don't know how I will do it short of speed reading it off of a PowerPoint slide.

What info do you omit when teaching the renewal? Is there a different curriculum requirement for for initial vs renewal? As far as I could tell it was the same info just less time.

jmra wrote:Is there a different curriculum requirement for for initial vs renewal? As far as I could tell it was the same info just less time.

My renewal class was the afternoon half of an initial class.

Crossfire wrote:I am with you on that one. I strongly feel that if DPS truly wanted to improve the program, they would be auditing the CLASSES, not the paperwork.

Ameer wrote:

jmra wrote:Is there a different curriculum requirement for for initial vs renewal? As far as I could tell it was the same info just less time.

My renewal class was the afternoon half of an initial class.

Mine also. From talking to my friend who did his initial in the same class I did my renewal, the instructor recapped everything they had covered in the morning just in much less detail.

jmra wrote:

troglodyte wrote:

jmra wrote:Sure wish we could get more members to chime in. I don't understand the lack of responses to polls on the forum.

I haven't voted because I'm not sure where I stand on this. Ten hours is a long time but I find that I still feel cramped at getting in the info I think we are supposed to teach. I don't have a lot of fluff and stuff and not much time is spent on hypothetical "what-ifs". As a vertern school teacher I understand how to manage a class, not that I always do it well, but I don't let it get out of hand.

My question is what will be required and what will be cut?

I don't necessarily oppose a 4 or 6 hour course (+range) but if I still have to teach the same info in a shorter time then I don't know how I will do it short of speed reading it off of a PowerPoint slide.

What info do you omit when teaching the renewal? Is there a different curriculum requirement for for initial vs renewal? As far as I could tell it was the same info just less time.

No, there is a difference between the requirements for a new v.s. renewal license.

GC 411.188(b) states (for a new license):

(b) Only a qualified handgun instructor may administer a handgun proficiency course. The handgun proficiency course must include at least 10 hours and not more than 15 hours of instruction on:
(1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force;
(2) handgun use, proficiency, and safety;
(3) nonviolent dispute resolution; and
(4) proper storage practices for handguns with an emphasis on
storage practices that eliminate the possibility of accidental injury to a child.

Whereas GC 411.188(c) states (for a renewal):

(c) The department by rule shall develop a continuing education course in handgun proficiency for a license holder who wishes to renew a license. Only a qualified handgun instructor may administer the continuing education course. The course must include:
(1) at least four hours of instruction on one or more of the subjects listed in Subsection (b); and

Note the "one or more" of the subjects for renewal, but all of the subjects for a new license.

jmra wrote:

Ameer wrote:

jmra wrote:Is there a different curriculum requirement for for initial vs renewal? As far as I could tell it was the same info just less time.

My renewal class was the afternoon half of an initial class.

Mine also. From talking to my friend who did his initial in the same class I did my renewal, the instructor recapped everything they had covered in the morning just in much less detail.

That's the way I handle my classes. Renewal students must be in class by 1:00pm, but they can attend all day if they wish. I cover Use of Force after the range work, then before the test I do a class review. Although the Code doesn't require covering everything in renewal classes, the DPS test is the same for new and renewal students. Therefore, we have to cover everything to get renewal students ready for the test.

I cover Use of Force after renewal students arrive because I want them to get the entire presentation and discussion.

Chas.

My outline of the day too.