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In Iraq, home owners are entitled for 1 AK or its equivalent for home protection.

Beiruty wrote:In Iraq, home owners are entitled for 1 AK or its equivalent for home protection.

they sure weren't when I was going door to door and taking them! also the new law as I understand it is that personal ownership of any fire arms by civilians is forbidden, and yep I went out and did just that removed them from all civilians

suthdj wrote:

JP171 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

JP171 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Syria.
Lebanon.
Iraq.
Yemen.
Libya.
Niger.

Iraq is out, it is no longer legal for civilians to be in possession of fire arms of any type

As it is the case in Lebanon and only tiny minority of the population would disarm. Iraq and Lebanon are awash with military grade firearms.

Yea I am aware of that, I took enough of them away from people

Have to ask, were you ok with taking them away, think about it if they were not criminals why would you need to take them away. Sounds like the right to self defense does not apply to them? Remember the 2A protects our natural right/god given right. If it is a natural/god given it extend to all people of the world.

No I really wasn't ok with it, but unfortunately I did understand the need to do so as I really hate getting shot in the back, if the country wasn't lousy with religious zealots screaming about infidels and invaders and the americans then maybe they just might be trusted.

In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the middle east. Their culture and values are so foreign that they might as well be from Alpha Centauri. During WWI, the Allies and the Germans called a truce on Christmas to collect the dead bodies in no man's land between the trenches. During this truce, the Germans and Allies befriended each other, drank, sang songs, and exchanged gifts together. They then refused to fight. The generals had to recall all the troops and send fresh ones. War is madness and they saw the light. This was possible because their cultures, language, and religiion are so similar.

However, in the middle east, it is so disparate, that this is not possible. You're reading stuff off the internet and flying in jet planes while they are reading their ONE holy book and living in caves. They are still in the middle ages. The reason why the Soviets didn't nuke us is because they are living in the modern age. The reason why Iran cannot be allowed to get the nuke is because they are not living in the age of enlightenment. They are still living in the age of feudalism. It would be as crazy as giving a monkey a loaded machine gun in a crowded shopping mall.

The right to bear arms is fine and dandy in the hands of the civilized, but noticed how almost all the gun violence in America is in the uncivilized parts of town? Middle class southerners own most of the guns, but most of the gun crime is committed by a minority of the guns owned by the uncivilized. Maybe instead of an NCIS check (which isn't always accurate), we should have a math test. Math is culture and race neutral, so it is fair. I'll bet you that 99.9% of street thugs with guns cannot do an algebra problem. This would probably be more effective than a NCIS check to keep guns out of the hands of criminals while not having any "gun control" as there are no registration, no confiscation, and no licensure requirements. Did you know that the average IQ of those in prison is 80 while the gen pop's IQ is 100.

So, though I don't believe in gun control, I do kinda understand why you did what you did. I dunno, did you see any other vets come back with a Iraqi bride? Or an Afghan bride? i could be wrong....

JP171 wrote:

suthdj wrote:

JP171 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

JP171 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Syria.
Lebanon.
Iraq.
Yemen.
Libya.
Niger.

Iraq is out, it is no longer legal for civilians to be in possession of fire arms of any type

As it is the case in Lebanon and only tiny minority of the population would disarm. Iraq and Lebanon are awash with military grade firearms.

Yea I am aware of that, I took enough of them away from people

Have to ask, were you ok with taking them away, think about it if they were not criminals why would you need to take them away. Sounds like the right to self defense does not apply to them? Remember the 2A protects our natural right/god given right. If it is a natural/god given it extend to all people of the world.

No I really wasn't ok with it, but unfortunately I did understand the need to do so as I really hate getting shot in the back, if the country wasn't lousy with religious zealots screaming about infidels and invaders and the americans then maybe they just might be trusted.

drjoker wrote:In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the Middle East.

That reminds me of an incident a few years before Desert Storm.
In the late 80s our unit would often rotate 6 month TDY stints to an airbase in Turkey with another unit. It was really hard on the single guys because everywhere you went some guy wanted to know which of his daughters you wanted to marry. The slightest wrong step in responding was considered an insult. It got to where most of us would just stay on base.
During one of those deployments a rather homely young female E-2 was on the team. Within 6 weeks she was married to an even younger Turk. When we returned to the states she brought him with her. They lived in base housing. About 3 months later she started showing up to work with bruises on her arms.
I was not on the next deployment, but I was told there was an extra duffle bag on the cargo plane that got thrown over the fence at the airbase in Turkey after the plane landed. I was told that it took 3 or 4 guys to throw it over the fence.
Amazingly after that the airbase commander did not approve any more marriages. Even more amazing was no one stateside ever asked what happened to the young E-2s husband.

jmra wrote:

drjoker wrote:In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the Middle East.

That reminds me of an incident a few years before Desert Storm.
In the late 80s our unit would often rotate 6 month TDY stints to an airbase in Turkey with another unit. It was really hard on the single guys because everywhere you went some guy wanted to know which of his daughters you wanted to marry. The slightest wrong step in responding was considered an insult. It got to where most of us would just stay on base.
During one of those deployments a rather homely young female E-2 was on the team. Within 6 weeks she was married to an even younger Turk. When we returned to the states she brought him with her. They lived in base housing. About 3 months later she started showing up to work with bruises on her arms.
I was not on the next deployment, but I was told there was an extra duffle bag on the cargo plane that got thrown over the fence at the airbase in Turkey after the plane landed. I was told that it took 3 or 4 guys to throw it over the fence.
Amazingly after that the airbase commander did not approve any more marriages. Even more amazing was no one stateside ever asked what happened to the young E-2s husband.

To be that heavy, that duffle bag must have contained a lot of souvenirs brought back from the states.

jmra wrote:

drjoker wrote:In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the Middle East.

About 3 months later she started showing up to work with bruises on her arms..

Hmmm, I didn't know that marriages had to be "approved" by the base commander. Anyways, wife beating is a sign of low IQ. When you lack words to persuade or communicate, then the only options are threats and violence. I used to get into fights as a child, but I matured and grew out of this. People who still use fists to persuade have the mental capacity of a child.

drjoker wrote:

jmra wrote:

drjoker wrote:In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the Middle East.

About 3 months later she started showing up to work with bruises on her arms..

Hmmm, I didn't know that marriages had to be "approved" by the base commander. Anyways, wife beating is a sign of low IQ. When you lack words to persuade or communicate, then the only options are threats and violence. I used to get into fights as a child, but I matured and grew out of this. People who still use fists to persuade have the mental capacity of a child.

If you are overseas and marrying a foreign national, it's a different story. There are tons of forms to complete; you must obtain counseling and your commander's permission (which is rarely withheld without very good reason); your spouse must undergo a security background check and pass a medical examination. Finally, the marriage has to be "recognized" by the United States Embassy. The entire process can take several months.

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WildBill wrote:

drjoker wrote:

jmra wrote:

drjoker wrote:In every war, veterans came back with foreign brides in droves except this current one in the Middle East.

About 3 months later she started showing up to work with bruises on her arms..

Hmmm, I didn't know that marriages had to be "approved" by the base commander. Anyways, wife beating is a sign of low IQ. When you lack words to persuade or communicate, then the only options are threats and violence. I used to get into fights as a child, but I matured and grew out of this. People who still use fists to persuade have the mental capacity of a child.

If you are overseas and marrying a foreign national, it's a different story. There are tons of forms to complete; you must obtain counseling and your commander's permission (which is rarely withheld without very good reason); your spouse must undergo a security background check and pass a medical examination. Finally, the marriage has to be "recognized" by the United States Embassy. The entire process can take several months.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/familydo ... rriage.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and cost several thousand dollars

I grew up in Panama in the 70's and 80's. During my time there I believe carry permits were on a "may issue" basis... and if you were a supporter of the military regime, you had a better chance of getting a permit than if you were against them. To buy a firearm or ammunition, you required a permit... although somehow, a lot of people got them regardless.

Spent a few weeks down there last November and found that due to a recent constitutional change (2011?), permits are on a "shall issue" basis. Even foreigners with a panamanian residency are eligible to get a permit. Things are still kinda backwards in my mind, and I don't understand the whole process well enough, but looks like when you buy a gun thru a dealer, it must go to the police for ballistics and registration, then it is added to your permit (or a new permit is issued if you don't have one). To buy ammo, you need a permit... unless you are buying it at a range/shooting club (which there aren't many).

So, not sure what the process would be to get the permit but bringing one of my guns. Worth a call (or two or three) to the govt agency that runs this to figure it out. I travel there about once a year, and would really want to be able to carry, as some areas are quite dangerous, there are a lot of break-ins, robberies, etc.