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talltex wrote:

mojo84 wrote:It's a shame some just look for opportunities to take unnecessary and uncalled for potshots at others. Having cops as part of the church security team is beneficial to all involved including the passing public when the cops are working traffic which makes for safer ingress and egress.

I'll just have to disagree with you on this issue. I live in a small rural town, so traffic is not an issue here at all. But I've done business in the DFW and Austin metro areas for many years, and it's an everyday occurrence there for many corporate employers who are willing to pay the small hourly cost to have an off duty LEO on hand, because it's a perk for their employees to be able to exit the parking lots quickly without hassle. I'll grant you that it may enhance safety to some degree, but I honestly don't think, that's the primary motive.

I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

Jim Beaux wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

talltex wrote:
...have they ever really needed them to "arrest troublemakers" at your church services? Ya'll must have some really interesting services!

Our church is a small church and I have had three people arrested in the last three years including one this last Easter.

I guess you have missed the church shootings.

Just how does one go about getting arrested in church...bad singing? Details please.

No I will not give details other than to say one incident was very violent. It is against the law in the State of Texas to disrupt a religious service.

mojo84 wrote:I agree. Just making the point through a sarcastic question. It's not everywhere a part time job doing less and requiring less skill/training pays more than someone's primary job.

Hate the game not the player. A lot of these jobs came available especially with schools after Sandy Hook shooting. All the schools in my area either armed staff or the ones who could afford it brought in police. Some made improvements to the front entrances to better control visitors.

EEllis wrote: Reserve officers don't have police powers when they are not on the clock and then there are the liability issues, insurance, etc.

Source?

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

WildBill wrote:A little off topic, but a few days ago I was on I45 during the morning commute when a "wide load" took up two lanes of traffic. The flatbed truck had two HPD motorcycle police escorts.

I've seen this also. A couple of weeks ago I saw 2 HPD motorcycle officers, with lights flashing escorting an oversized trailer with some type of very large machinery on it. They had the usual private escort vehicles in front and rear, but the Motorcycle units were hopscotching out in front of the main group and blocking traffic at intersections...even where there were traffic lights in place, and out on the open road they were drivng down the center stripe waiving oncoming traffic onto the shoulder. I thought it was odd that they were allowed to use departmental vehicles to make money on a private job hundreds of miles away from their city. Seems like it would be quite a liability issue if they were involved in an accident so far out of their jurisdiction on a private job.

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

My previous employee was a large public school who built a new football stadium off a busy loop. Traffic would back up for miles causing accidents and preventing emergency vehicles from responding. I don't know the details but the city along with the local police department had a meeting with the school and told them to do whatever it takes to control their football traffic. They ended up hiring more officers and civilians for traffic control.

nightmare69 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:I agree. Just making the point through a sarcastic question. It's not everywhere a part time job doing less and requiring less skill/training pays more than someone's primary job.

Hate the game not the player. A lot of these jobs came available especially with schools after Sandy Hook shooting. All the schools in my area either armed staff or the ones who could afford it brought in police. Some made improvements to the front entrances to better control visitors.

Not hating on you. Just making a point about how screwed up it is that a cop gets paid more per hour for being a part-time security guard than for being a cop. Surely you can see the irony in that.

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

It wouldn't be a penal code violation but a city ordinance or code and if you don't think they could come up with something , well there is really nothing to discuss. I know it happened with a store here in Houston. They were told they could hire traffic control or pay for a stop light. They hired cops for years and when the city did some street work they eventually put in a light. I'm sure it wasn't direct "hire cops" but rather a list of choices and some comments on possible consequences if they didn't.

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

Usually takes the form of nuisance abatement civil suits/fines. Mostly happens to nightclubs that cater to thugs.

nightmare69 wrote:

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

My previous employee was a large public school who built a new football stadium off a busy loop. Traffic would back up for miles causing accidents and preventing emergency vehicles from responding. I don't know the details but the city along with the local police department had a meeting with the school and told them to do whatever it takes to control their football traffic. They ended up hiring more officers and civilians for traffic control.

So you don't have evidence. I'd love to see a city try to sue a public school. Not sure if thats even possible legally.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

My previous employee was a large public school who built a new football stadium off a busy loop. Traffic would back up for miles causing accidents and preventing emergency vehicles from responding. I don't know the details but the city along with the local police department had a meeting with the school and told them to do whatever it takes to control their football traffic. They ended up hiring more officers and civilians for traffic control.

So you don't have evidence. I'd love to see a city try to sue a public school. Not sure if thats even possible legally.

I wasent in on the meeting nor do I have a podcast of it. Just telling you what I know.


I had a meeting with my chief and I'm all clear to work off duty jobs.

I had a meeting with my chief and I'm all clear to work off duty jobs.

Good deal! Now go make some money!

Jim Beaux wrote:

carlson1 wrote:

talltex wrote:
...have they ever really needed them to "arrest troublemakers" at your church services? Ya'll must have some really interesting services!

Our church is a small church and I have had three people arrested in the last three years including one this last Easter.

I guess you have missed the church shootings.

Just how does one go about getting arrested in church...bad singing? Details please.

The Bible says to make a joyful noise, and you know God is wise because the word was 'noise' and not 'song'.

nightmare69 wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

talltex wrote:

EEllis wrote:I think is some cases it's almost a necessity. Without some traffic control not only can it take forever to get in and out of a parking lot but the length of time it takes encourages behavior that drastically increases the risk of collisions. In some places businesses are told to hire cops or face fines because since it's their traffic is the problem they should pay, not the city.

I'd like to see an actual example of a business being told to hire a cop or face fines...and under what statute in the penal code a business could be charged with an offense for "Failure to Hire Cops".

My previous employee was a large public school who built a new football stadium off a busy loop. Traffic would back up for miles causing accidents and preventing emergency vehicles from responding. I don't know the details but the city along with the local police department had a meeting with the school and told them to do whatever it takes to control their football traffic. They ended up hiring more officers and civilians for traffic control.

So you don't have evidence. I'd love to see a city try to sue a public school. Not sure if thats even possible legally.

I wasent in on the meeting nor do I have a podcast of it. Just telling you what I know.


I had a meeting with my chief and I'm all clear to work off duty jobs.

Glad it worked out for you.