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That seems reasonable. If only the same was true for dogs and minor children.Pawpaw wrote:If livestock escape the fence and wander into a roadway, the owner is responsible for any damage that may result.
Is that a trick question?Pawpaw wrote:who do you think will be held responsible for that minivan that hits it and any lives on board?
Saffron wrote:That seems reasonable. If only the same was true for dogs and minor children.Pawpaw wrote:If livestock escape the fence and wander into a roadway, the owner is responsible for any damage that may result.
I agree, it is reasonable. Pretty much anyone that is raising cattle has insurance that will cover it.
Is that a trick question?Pawpaw wrote:who do you think will be held responsible for that minivan that hits it and any lives on board?
Not at all. You have to read the whole sentence I wrote to see it in context.
Shoo!AJSully421 wrote:Open any of your gates to the nearest road off your property, mount the aforementioned ATV, Yell "YAH" a bunch, and get Buford on to the road where you will get much more prompt and courteous service from the Sheriff's Department... now that it is firmly "their problem" being out on a road, not on your property.
I'm inclined to agree with you on the OP photo -- Limosuin was my first thought too. If he is indeed Limosuin, they're very docile cattle, and easily trained to accept range cubes directly from one's hand -- I've had several that were essentially pets at feeding time.der Teufel wrote:
These are Limousin cattle, for those who are interested. The bull the OP pictured could also be a Limousin, but I'm not an expert.
Thank you for the info.cbunt1 wrote:I'm inclined to agree with you on the OP photo -- Limosuin was my first thought too. If he is indeed Limosuin, they're very docile cattle, and easily trained to accept range cubes directly from one's hand -- I've had several that were essentially pets at feeding time.der Teufel wrote:
These are Limousin cattle, for those who are interested. The bull the OP pictured could also be a Limousin, but I'm not an expert.
That said, a 2000#+ bull, can indeed be dangerous even if he's not trying to hurt you -- the proverbial bull in a china shop, who doesn't know his own strength.
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For what it's worth, normal defense handgun calibers and rounds aren't reliable against charging cattle...they're not enough to instantly turn one off given the available target areas. Magnum rounds with penetrating hollow-points like you might hunt large game with would be most effective, and should it come to that, your best bet target is right between the eyes, but a frontal shot isn't likely to make an instant stop.
Just curious, if you don't mind my asking, what part of Texas is your place in (County?)rotor wrote: Thank you for the info.
Wichita County. The only problem is I never know if he will be there. I have personally been close once (30 feet) and he was gone. He showed up once on a game camera. Since then I have seen cow paddies but I haven't seen the big guy again. I think he is a fence jumper and comes and goes as he wishes. Since none of my neighbors claimed him he must be jumping a lot of fences. My fear as a city guy was the danger issue for me and mine. So far we haven't been in danger and I plan on calling the Sheriff if I see him again. Thanks for the offer though.cbunt1 wrote:Just curious, if you don't mind my asking, what part of Texas is your place in (County?)rotor wrote: Thank you for the info.
With a few feelers, and a bit of time, I might be able to help you find some guys who could come round this critter up and either get him home or at least get him out of your way.
Working cowboys are still a "thing," but it's almost all word-of-mouth type of work, and there used to be a decent (if not lightening fast) network of "I know a guy..." for that kind of help.
Don't think I didn't consider getting one. Phantom 4 or new Mavic pro. Their smart phone applications though still seem buggy. But, like guns, who needs an excuse to buy one.Greybeard wrote:"Working Cowboy" buddy at the range today said uses a drone, sometimes even for herding.
Yes and no. Here is my understanding of the law (not being a lawyer but growing up on a ranch). On a farm to market or county road Texas if there are no county laws then the owner has no responsibility. If there are such county laws in place, or if it occurs on a state or interstate highway then you have to prove the owner knowingly allowed the animals onto the road or the right of way. Previous escapes, gates left open, general upkeep of the fence; things of that nature. On an interstate I would imagine there are probably some federal laws, but I have no clue about those.Pawpaw wrote:This is incredibly bad advice. If livestock escape the fence and wander into a roadway, the owner is responsible for any damage that may result.
It's actually far more complicated than that, but the smart move is to keep your stock fenced in to avoid any possible liability.Jago668 wrote:Yes and no. Here is my understanding of the law (not being a lawyer but growing up on a ranch). On a farm to market or county road Texas if there are no county laws then the owner has no responsibility. If there are such county laws in place, or if it occurs on a state or interstate highway then you have to prove the owner knowingly allowed the animals onto the road or the right of way. Previous escapes, gates left open, general upkeep of the fence; things of that nature. On an interstate I would imagine there are probably some federal laws, but I have no clue about those.Pawpaw wrote:This is incredibly bad advice. If livestock escape the fence and wander into a roadway, the owner is responsible for any damage that may result.