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rotor wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:05 pmI still don't know why we care about this.

I sort of agree... there's the optics problem of our President conducting national security related foreign affairs with an allegedly murderous government that kinda looks bad... but... is anyone surprised that the Saudis do bad things?

But the court of public opinion (and its effect on election outcomes) does matter.

rotor wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:05 pmI still don't know why we care about this.

Because the media says we should be outraged that this has happened. A terrorist sympathizer killed by a foreign government on that government's soil is a travesty. Even though our president killed American citizens on foreign soil with no outrage.

And the same media turns a blind eye about Seth Rich who was killed on American soil and by appearance was a hit.

jason812 wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:56 pm

rotor wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:05 pmI still don't know why we care about this.

Because the media says we should be outraged that this has happened. A terrorist sympathizer killed by a foreign government on that government's soil is a travesty. Even though our president killed American citizens on foreign soil with no outrage.

And the same media turns a blind eye about Seth Rich who was killed on American soil and by appearance was a hit.

We all know Jason Bourne is real, just with a different name.

Where was the outrage during WWII when we were in bed with the USSR, one of the most murderous regimes in history under Stalin? We are in bed with SA for a lot of reasons, and to sanction them for this act will will wreck havoc on the U.S.economy when oil goes back to $100 a barrel. We better figure out a way to deal with their gross act carefully, or we just shoot ourselves in the foot. I believe the Dems want the strictest sanctions applied, because they know it would destroy the Trump economy. Anything to hurt Trump, regardless of the damage to the country.

(1) Beiruty’s Info putting this incident in historical perspective is right on. (2) That the dead guy was employed by one of our newspapers is incidental in this case. It is none of our business. (3) Our President and Graham did jump the wrong way on this one. (4) Paul’s reaction is indeed out of character.

In many ways this is no different then let’s say the Russians poisoning a former Russian spy in England.

In some ways it is different, Saudi Arabia is an Ally. Russia is not.

Looking at it the situation is perplexing.

First we have to assume a murder has occurred. Right now someone is just missing. Assuming that that the murder actually occurred, here are possible scenarios:

Option one, like Russia, Saudi Arabia sent a message. If your a citizen and you oppose us we will torture and kill you. Who cares how much trouble this causes our allies. I am the new Crown Prince, I am young, I Act before I think, you will fear me.

Option two, Saudi Arabia needs to kill this critic. Should they look at the Clinton book on political assassination? No, they can do this quietly in their consulate, no one will find out, even with the fiancé outside waiting, a team of 15 assassins, the guys a frighten journalist for the Washington Post and the consulate is bugged by our enemy Turkey.

Option three, enemies of the new Crown Prince within Saudi Arabia want to derail his alliances with the US and Israel, weaken him and maybe even hurt Donald Trump right before the midterms as a bonus. How to do this simply? A false flag. Murder a journalist critical of the Royal family secretly, but make sure it quietly gets out. Do it in a Consulate so the blame can be tied directly to the Royal Family. Use high ranking officials in the government who have authority are loyal us and are willing to die for Allah.

Any others?

I suppose there are those among us who believe that we should participate in global commerce with only those nations who are in lockstep with U.S. morals, human rights and judicial system. If so, that’s a pipe dream that will never come to fruition. And, we should not ruin our economy or spill our youth’s blood to attempt to convert any of them, in my view. The Kissinger Doctrine is about as close as we can come in walking that tightrope on a global basis.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-sugge ... 03941.html

Saudi Arabia confirms he is dead. Died in a fist fight inside the Consulate.

He was an associate and friend of OBL. He should not have been allowed residency here. What is wrong with us? Don't answer that - hopefully it's getting fixed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html

Trump doubts Saudi account of death.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/ ... ggi-921366

Congress not buying it. Rep and Dems.

This is a perfect opportunity, for Trump, to avoid a trap, and require a congressional proposal, with a super majority, on exactly what, if any, sanctions, should be levied, against SA. That way, the left, won't be able to criticize, the decision, since they will be required, to participate. It will also give the voters an opportunity, to see exactly, how much spine, exists, on both sides of the aisle. JMHO

Annoy Liberals By Refusing To Care About Their Stupid Fake Outrages
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtsch ... s-n2530409

This may shock you, but I care less that a bunch of foreign barbarians killed a foreign barbarian supporter in a foreign country than I do about illegal alien foreign barbarians here in America killing Americans. A lot less.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-operat ... 16882.html

CNN and Huff Post reprint of article saying a body double for the dead journalist left by a back door and went to tourist attractions in the dead man’s clothes after he died.

The dead journalist is somewhat grey and bald. The body double has dark full hair. The body double has jogging shoes the dead journalist leather shoes. If you were really trying hard wouldn’t you shave your head and wear the same shoes.

So fake news or keystone cops by the Saudis. False flag or just plain stupid govt. folks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 725451002/

Saudi leaders apologize to son. Hugh and grave mistake.

Those responsible will be punished.

Probably not fun now being a 00 agent for Saudi Arabia.