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Dallas Morning News article referring to a "contentious proposal".
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... bill.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CJD wrote:

PBR wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I realize open-carry has not finally passed yet, but today represents the culmination of two years of work by the NRA and TSRA under some of the most difficult circumstances we've faced in years. Thanks to NRA lobbyist Tara Mica and TSRA lobbyist Alice Tripp for a job very well done!

Chas.

So what is left for it to pass, Abbott signing or more?

This bill must now go to the Senate.

Is it back to the Senate because it wasn't substituted with SB17 or it goes to Conference Committee?

If this ever passes the only time I'll probably ever oc is when bicycling with the kids down the bike path in town because it would be more comfortable.

K5GU wrote:Dallas Morning News article referring to a "contentious proposal".
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... bill.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ha! Would that all "contentious" proposals pass by nearly a 3 to 1 margin!

CrimsonSoul wrote:If this ever passes the only time I'll probably ever oc is when bicycling with the kids down the bike path in town because it would be more comfortable.

I could see being on a road trip and wanting to just clip on a holster to get out and get gas and/or run into the convenience store.

A question. Is a less the perfect conceal just OC? so like if you have a belt holster and an un-tucked shirt over it but when you bend over the tip of the barrel shows or even while you are walking. Is that just OC? Or it's covered but you reach up high and it uncovers.

jerry_r60 wrote:

CrimsonSoul wrote:If this ever passes the only time I'll probably ever oc is when bicycling with the kids down the bike path in town because it would be more comfortable.

I could see being on a road trip and wanting to just clip on a holster to get out and get gas and/or run into the convenience store.

A question. Is a less the perfect conceal just OC? so like if you have a belt holster and an un-tucked shirt over it but when you bend over the tip of the barrel shows or even while you are walking. Is that just OC? Or it's covered but you reach up high and it uncovers.

The only time concealed v. open will be an issue is carrying on a school campus or when crossing a 30.07 sign.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

CrimsonSoul wrote:If this ever passes the only time I'll probably ever oc is when bicycling with the kids down the bike path in town because it would be more comfortable.

I could see being on a road trip and wanting to just clip on a holster to get out and get gas and/or run into the convenience store.

A question. Is a less the perfect conceal just OC? so like if you have a belt holster and an un-tucked shirt over it but when you bend over the tip of the barrel shows or even while you are walking. Is that just OC? Or it's covered but you reach up high and it uncovers.

The only time concealed v. open will be an issue is carrying on a school campus or when crossing a 30.07 sign.

Chas.

Got it makes for some nice carry options.

jerry_r60 wrote:

CJD wrote:

PBR wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I realize open-carry has not finally passed yet, but today represents the culmination of two years of work by the NRA and TSRA under some of the most difficult circumstances we've faced in years. Thanks to NRA lobbyist Tara Mica and TSRA lobbyist Alice Tripp for a job very well done!

Chas.

So what is left for it to pass, Abbott signing or more?

This bill must now go to the Senate.

Is it back to the Senate because it wasn't substituted with SB17 or it goes to Conference Committee?

As far as I understand what others on this forum have said, it is because it wasn't substituted. Therefore, it has to go through the Senate the same as any other House bill, except, perhaps, it may be able to bypass a Committee hearing.

CJD wrote:

casp625 wrote:http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 10H218.PDF
Only 30.06 was amended with the last amendment..

Lines 22-29 are relating to 30.07 are they not? Page 31 deals with 30.07.

Thanks for the clarification CJD. After re-reading the amendment, 30.06 AND 30.07 is actually covered with this amendment. Per the Amendment:

On page 31, strike line 26 and substitute the following:
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that, after entering the property, the license holder received notice as described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart.

And per the amendment, Page 31, Line 26 (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... df#page=31) specifically deals with the penalty for violation 30.07. So YES, the penalty would be a Class C for concealed carry AND open carry unless you were told to depart and failed to do so!

Anybody have a clip of the exchange where the fate of constitutional carry was laid at OCT's feet?

I wish Phillips at the end had turned the question around on that Democrat: "If this bill becomes law and then nothing bad happens, can you promise to work with me and be less hysterical in your predicitions on future gun bills?"

casp625 wrote:

CJD wrote:

casp625 wrote:http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 10H218.PDF
Only 30.06 was amended with the last amendment..

Lines 22-29 are relating to 30.07 are they not? Page 31 deals with 30.07.

Thanks for the clarification CJD. After re-reading the amendment, 30.06 AND 30.07 is actually covered with this amendment. Per the Amendment:

On page 31, strike line 26 and substitute the following:
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that, after entering the property, the license holder received notice as described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart.

And per the amendment, Page 31, Line 26 (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... df#page=31) specifically deals with the penalty for violation 30.07. So YES, the penalty would be a Class C for concealed carry AND open carry unless you were told to depart and failed to do so!

Or are given written notice. The amendment says "after entering the property, the license holder received notice as described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart."

Subsection (b) says "For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

Charles, Tara and Alice,
Thank you for all the hard work both apparent and behind doors to get this passed. I know it had to come at a high cost. We appreciate your work and diligence in all that was done.

Scott B. wrote:Anybody have a clip of the exchange where the fate of constitutional carry was laid at OCT's feet?

The archive of the day should end up here: http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/chamber/84/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; but you would have lots of wading through to find the spot unless you recall the amendment number on the floor and you can jump to that part.

Thank you Charles and everyone else that put in all the effort to get us to where we are today!