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[quote="WildBill"Your experience with hunters is contrary to what I have observed.[/quote]

Me too!

WildBill wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Something to ponder. I have hunted for years....like 45 of them...LOL. I have hunted in many places with many different hunters. I have never known a hunter to say he would have a beer or drink just before going out to hunt. Drinking while hunting is nothing short of stupid. You could shoot a cow, your hunting buddies or even yourself. This policy has never been don't get "drunk" while hunting. It is an all or none policy. If I were hunting with you and saw you swilling a brewski while sitting in the stand, i would leave, just after beating you down like your momma should have done...LOL.

So here we are in a CHL forum discussing drinking while carrying. Interesting contrast to me. Maybe it is because some CHLers first exposure to firearms was reading cool magazines and interweb stuff. Fellers....i wish I could tell you how many times I have watched a guy claim he can handle his booze and end up looking like a fool.

Your experience with hunters is contrary to what I have observed.

That saddens me. A few bad examples make us all look bad. I know they are out there but I would like to believe most act responsibly. So is your point that you think hunters should go ahead and have a few brewskis in the deer stand? Keep searching and you will discover that we are not all beer swilling rednecks.

gregthehand wrote:

I was not imparied.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Something to ponder. I have hunted for years....like 45 of them...LOL. I have hunted in many places with many different hunters. I have never known a hunter to say he would have a beer or drink just before going out to hunt. Drinking while hunting is nothing short of stupid. You could shoot a cow, your hunting buddies or even yourself. This policy has never been don't get "drunk" while hunting. It is an all or none policy. If I were hunting with you and saw you swilling a brewski while sitting in the stand, i would leave, just after beating you down like your momma should have done...LOL.

WildBill wrote:Your experience with hunters is contrary to what I have observed.

03Lightningrocks wrote:That saddens me. A few bad examples make us all look bad. I know they are out there but I would like to believe most act responsibly. So is your point that you think hunters should go ahead and have a few brewskis in the deer stand? Keep searching and you will discover that we are not all beer swilling rednecks.

I am glad that you have had positive experiences hunting. Of course my point is not that hunters should go ahead and drink from the deer stand. And I don't think that all hunters are beer swilling rednecks.

I taught hunter safety classes for many years and most of my students were not rednecks, beer swilling or no. Every year the instructors would have a meeting with the Game Warden in charge of the Department of Fish and Game Hunter Safety program and he would go over the safety records from the previous year. Most years there were very few reported accidents where someone actually was shot. As I recall, 3-5 per year was the average. That is a pretty low number considering the number of people hunting.

I was never much of a hunter and I have not hunted for many years, but I have always had a policy of no alcohol when handling guns. I also picked my shooting partners with care. If there was any evidence of drinking I would leave and never go out shooting with them again.

WildBill wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Something to ponder. I have hunted for years....like 45 of them...LOL. I have hunted in many places with many different hunters. I have never known a hunter to say he would have a beer or drink just before going out to hunt. Drinking while hunting is nothing short of stupid. You could shoot a cow, your hunting buddies or even yourself. This policy has never been don't get "drunk" while hunting. It is an all or none policy. If I were hunting with you and saw you swilling a brewski while sitting in the stand, i would leave, just after beating you down like your momma should have done...LOL.

WildBill wrote:Your experience with hunters is contrary to what I have observed.

03Lightningrocks wrote:That saddens me. A few bad examples make us all look bad. I know they are out there but I would like to believe most act responsibly. So is your point that you think hunters should go ahead and have a few brewskis in the deer stand? Keep searching and you will discover that we are not all beer swilling rednecks.

I am glad that you have had positive experiences hunting. Of course my point is not that hunters should go ahead and drink from the deer stand. And I don't think that all hunters are beer swilling rednecks.

I taught hunter safety classes for many years and most of my students were not rednecks, beer swilling or no. Every year the instructors would have a meeting with the Game Warden in charge of the Department of Fish and Game Hunter Safety program and he would go over the safety records from the previous year. Most years there were very few reported accidents where someone actually was shot. As I recall, 3-5 per year was the average. That is a pretty low number considering the number of people hunting.

I was never much of a hunter and I have not hunted for many years, but I have always had a policy of no alcohol when handling guns. I also picked my shooting partners with care. If there was any evidence of drinking I would leave and never go out shooting with them again.

I will admit that I am pretty darned picky about the company I keep. Especially when choosing hunting buddies. No doubt about it, there are hunters out there drinking and acting like fools while hunting.

The main point I was trying to make was that most of us would not think it was a good idea to be drinking while actually hunting with a firearm(not counting the deer camp games)...I am talking while actually out in the brush hunting. But then think it is OK to drink while carrying a concealed weapon in a restaurant full of people.

03Lightningrocks wrote:I will admit that I am pretty darned picky about the company I keep. Especially when choosing hunting buddies. No doubt about it, there are hunters out there drinking and acting like fools while hunting.

The main point I was trying to make was that most of us would not think it was a good idea to be drinking while actually hunting with a firearm(not counting the deer camp games)...I am talking while actually out in the brush hunting. But then think it is OK to drink while carrying a concealed weapon in a restaurant full of people.

Your point is well taken. Sorry I missed it the first time around.

If someone is sober enough to drive, I don't see any problem with them legally carrying.
If someone is too drunk to carry safely, they're way too drunk to drive safely!

If someone is carrying, there's a very small chance they will operate the equipment. If they need to use the gun, like a mugging or rape, there's a big chance there won't be innocent bystanders.

If someone is driving, there's a 100% chance they will operate the equipment. If they're driving on public roads, like a highway or residential neighborhood, there's a very big chance there will be innocent bystanders.

If someone is too drunk to carry safely, they're way too drunk to drive safely.

All,
I'm gonna keep out of this other than to make this statement.
In a shooting trial, it sure will look bad to a jury when a restaurant full of witnesses testify they saw you drinking prior to the incident. The Prosecutor would love it though.

Totally Frustrated wrote:All,
I'm gonna keep out of this other than to make this statement.
In a shooting trial, it sure will look bad to a jury when a restaurant full of witnesses testify they saw you drinking prior to the incident. The Prosecutor would love it though.

I drink with friends but I don't go to bars because of the 51% nonsense but you make a good point. The witnesses have no idea if you're drinking a non-alcoholic beer or a real beer. They don't know if you're drinking a Diet Coke with lime or a Cuba libre. If strangers see you drinking anything at a bar or restaurant, I bet some would testify you were drinking before the incident, even if your BAC is 0.000000000000000000000000000000%

boomerang wrote:

Totally Frustrated wrote:All,
I'm gonna keep out of this other than to make this statement.
In a shooting trial, it sure will look bad to a jury when a restaurant full of witnesses testify they saw you drinking prior to the incident. The Prosecutor would love it though.

I drink with friends but I don't go to bars because of the 51% nonsense but you make a good point. The witnesses have no idea if you're drinking a non-alcoholic beer or a real beer. They don't know if you're drinking a Diet Coke with lime or a Cuba libre. If strangers see you drinking anything at a bar or restaurant, I bet some would testify you were drinking before the incident, even if your BAC is 0.000000000000000000000000000000%

LOL...so are you saying it doesn't matter anyway, so don't worry about it. If you are, that kind of thinking is how folks end up on the wrong end of the law.

For the record. It doesn't matter what people see you drinking. The law will ask the waitress what you were drinking.

This thread is still going?

I have found that people will come up with a variety of creative justifications and rationalizing to support their drinking habits. My family has a long history of alcoholism. I drink fewer than 4 drinks per year and have made a deliberate effort to ensure it doesn't ever become a habit. I am 5'11 and 195 lb from a family of heavy drinkers, and I can tell you that I feel impaired after only one beer. My personal belief is that people who claim not to be impaired or to not recognize any impairment after x number of drinks are simply desensitized to the sensation of impairment. Of course you will never convince a drinker to consider this kind of argument, because like I said, people will engage every order of denial and rationalizing in order to defend their drinking habits.

The libertarian in me loathes the 51% law and the drunk driving laws as well. They are examples of laws that have sacrificed our liberty in favor of an illusion of safety, and the drunk driving law is used to allow all kinds of abridgments of our freedoms by the police.

Don't debate drunks.

Count wrote:I have a friend with a family history of diabetes. She can feel the difference in her blood sugar after eating one piece of cake. That doesn't mean that everyone has large blood sugar swings when they eat sweets and it doesn't mean everyone who eats dessert will become diabetic.

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Are you replying to my post above?