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Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:44 am
by 03Lightningrocks
I am a bit curious about the Las Vegas ban also. :???:

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:26 am
by Dragonfighter
OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.

So to the moral, not legal, question. Egain.net appears to be a legitimate third party IT contractor, that said there is no navigation directly to the link from either the Costco site or Egain.net. So the question becomes, is Costco even aware that this "policy" is being disseminated as "their official policy?" And following is the question, since the "policy" is so difficult to find that virtually none would find it without being provided a direct link, what moral imperative is being violated by following the terms as they are presented and entering where no legal notice has been given? How's that for a run on sentence?

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:06 am
by wgoforth
Dragonfighter wrote:OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.

So to the moral, not legal, question. Egain.net appears to be a legitimate third party IT contractor, that said there is no navigation directly to the link from either the Costco site or Egain.net. So the question becomes, is Costco even aware that this "policy" is being disseminated as "their official policy?" And following is the question, since the "policy" is so difficult to find that virtually none would find it without being provided a direct link, what moral imperative is being violated by following the terms as they are presented and entering where no legal notice has been given? How's that for a run on sentence?
Yes, each store is aware of the policy. In the Erik Scott matter of Las Vegas, he was told no guns were allowed in store. If you google Costco gun policy, you will find on forums people writing to their local stores asking what the gun policy is, with being told that Costco has a no-gun policy. While it is stupid to ask a business such, it shows management is aware.

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:20 pm
by emcee rib
03Lightningrocks wrote:I am a bit curious about the Las Vegas ban also. :???:
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:25 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
emcee rib wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:I am a bit curious about the Las Vegas ban also. :???:
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for the link! Wow... That is crazy! :tiphat:

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:00 pm
by jmorris
03Lightningrocks wrote:
emcee rib wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:I am a bit curious about the Las Vegas ban also. :???:
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for the link! Wow... That is crazy! :tiphat:
About the time all this was happening the Women And Guns message board went silent with a "The message board is offline while we deal with some copyright issues" message. It's been, what, year and a half now and it's still not back. Their latest web site redesign seems to have dropped the message board completely. I know even after being warned they didn't crack down on posters posting entire articles.

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:16 pm
by Dragonfighter
wgoforth wrote:
Dragonfighter wrote:OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.<SNIP>
Yes, each store is aware of the policy. In the Erik Scott matter of Las Vegas, he was told no guns were allowed in store. If you google Costco gun policy, you will find on forums people writing to their local stores asking what the gun policy is, with being told that Costco has a no-gun policy. While it is stupid to ask a business such, it shows management is aware.
Okay, that shows the management is aware of it so now I am wondering why it is buried so deep in the process that if you do not ask, you'll never know. There has to be some repercussions for such deception, for it is most definitely deceptive.

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:43 pm
by wgoforth
Dragonfighter wrote:
wgoforth wrote:
Dragonfighter wrote:OT, personally I can't imagine they are very serious about enforcing that rule or for that matter the customers having knowledge of it. Neither the Membership Terms, Welcome Brochure or FAQ's even mention firearms, weapons, handguns, etc. This blog explains the hopelessly convoluted steps one must follow to find the policy, and that is when you KNOW what you are looking for.<SNIP>
Yes, each store is aware of the policy. In the Erik Scott matter of Las Vegas, he was told no guns were allowed in store. If you google Costco gun policy, you will find on forums people writing to their local stores asking what the gun policy is, with being told that Costco has a no-gun policy. While it is stupid to ask a business such, it shows management is aware.
Okay, that shows the management is aware of it so now I am wondering why it is buried so deep in the process that if you do not ask, you'll never know. There has to be some repercussions for such deception, for it is most definitely deceptive.
:iagree:

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:30 pm
by Oldgringo
Does this mean I can't go back to a Costco Hearing Aid center for service? I think not. :roll:

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:44 pm
by Dragonfighter
Oldgringo wrote:Does this mean I can't go back to a Costco Hearing Aid center for service? I think not. :roll:
You can always claim you didn't hear them when they said, "No Guns." :smilelol5:

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:00 pm
by recaffeination
Oldgringo wrote:Does this mean I can't go back to a Costco Hearing Aid center for service? I think not. :roll:
Only if you receive valid notice according to the laws of whatever state you're in.

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:30 pm
by Oldgringo
recaffeination wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:Does this mean I can't go back to a Costco Hearing Aid center for service? I think not. :roll:
Only if you receive valid notice according to the laws of whatever state you're in.
Huh?

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:47 pm
by tacticool
Oldgringo wrote:
recaffeination wrote: whatever state you're in.
Huh?
I'm guess this.

Location: Piney Woods of Texas and NW Montana

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:07 am
by dac1842
Well here is another angle. I did not read every post here so forgive me if this was raised already. While COSTCO might not have the proper signage up at their locations, would not your acceptance of the terms of membership constitute effective notice? It seems to me, and I am not a lawyer, your acceptance of the membership terms would be enough to prosecute. Charles?

Re: COSTCO Gun Policy

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:13 am
by Keith B
dac1842 wrote:Well here is another angle. I did not read every post here so forgive me if this was raised already. While COSTCO might not have the proper signage up at their locations, would not your acceptance of the terms of membership constitute effective notice? It seems to me, and I am not a lawyer, your acceptance of the membership terms would be enough to prosecute. Charles?
Go back and read the entire thread. This has already been discussed that there is nothing in the agreement you sign stating or membership terms about no guns.

And, in Texas, the only way you would be illegally carrying is if the notice about no firearms was in the same text as 30.06 in the agreement you read and agree to. Anything else written in the agreement would not constitute legal notification.