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Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:54 am
by anygunanywhere
jmra wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
jmra wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:I can still remember having a "mobile" phone that was about the size of a large cowboy boot sole. It weighed enough that it would wear you out holding it to your ear. It would only hold a charge for about an hour. But it had a really cool orange light under the keyboard.
I had one of these before I had the one you are talking about.
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I had a neighbor back in the days before "mobile" phones went mainstream who worked for one of the major phone companies. That looks just like a phone he showed me one night after work. He was telling me how his company believed this was the phone we would all be using in the future. Even he laughed at the idea. They were "making" he and the other techs use them. It was a trial period for determining the efficiency of using mobile phones. :smilelol5: The way I reacted to that phone, one would believe I was an Indian seeing white men for the first time. The cost per minute to use the thing was some crazy high dollar amount. I will never forget telling him how ridiculous I thought the whole idea was. Good night nurse! Why on earth would anyone want to talk on the phone while driving around town?
Yep. Bag phone. The battery for the thing was as big as the phone. They weren't cheap either.
I bought Mrs. Anygun one of tose. Purchased a 60 minute/month plan. Told her it was for emergencies. I came home one day and pulled into the driveway. It was one of those 100 degree summer days. She was sitting in her Dodge custom van with the van idling and A/C on full talking on the phone. I asked her whatintheheck she was doing and she said she was using up her free minutes. I asked about the not free gasoline.

I knew then that cell phones would be one of the causes of death to society.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:17 am
by DocV
Yah, I had one of those back in the dark ages. It weighed a ton and used a huge battery. I paid about $1000 bucks for it and I got a service plan that gave me 20 minutes per month for $10 :) I kept the plan until AT&T refused to renew it. Then I un-renewed AT&T.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:47 am
by txglock21
Just last week at work we took a poll on how many people there no longer have a "home phone". It was about 75% only have cell phones and don't have a home phone. I was stunned by this. After thinking about it for a while, it kind of made sense because nobody actually calls our home phone other than unwanted calls. My household will continue to have a home phone due to the fact that my wife works from home and uses it daily for work calls and faxes. I hate talking on any phone, but have to for work. I do enjoy a few games on mine though.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:08 am
by The Annoyed Man
txglock21 wrote:Just last week at work we took a poll on how many people there no longer have a "home phone". It was about 75% only have cell phones and don't have a home phone. I was stunned by this. After thinking about it for a while, it kind of made sense because nobody actually calls our home phone other than unwanted calls. My household will continue to have a home phone due to the fact that my wife works from home and uses it daily for work calls and faxes. I hate talking on any phone, but have to for work. I do enjoy a few games on mine though.
The only reason I kept our home phone number but ported it over to our RingCentral service was so that unwanted callers would call that number first and leave our cellphones alone. RingCentral handles all the business calls and faxes.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:26 am
by rotor
txglock21 wrote:Just last week at work we took a poll on how many people there no longer have a "home phone". It was about 75% only have cell phones and don't have a home phone. I was stunned by this. After thinking about it for a while, it kind of made sense because nobody actually calls our home phone other than unwanted calls. My household will continue to have a home phone due to the fact that my wife works from home and uses it daily for work calls and faxes. I hate talking on any phone, but have to for work. I do enjoy a few games on mine though.
The other big issue is that the phone companies no longer want to support POTS. POTS is the standard landline, copper wire coming into the house. Every time it rains (which isn't too often anymore) my land line is worthless. The phone company isn't going to spend dollars to fix an outmoded system. Have seriously considered just VOIP at work and cell phone only for home.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:11 am
by mojo84
The only reason we keep a land line at home is for my 82 year old mother-in-law that lives with us and my 11 year old daughter that doesn't have a cell phone yet. No one that I want to talk to calls me on my home phone. Our business uses VOIP (Ooma) and my wife and I both have those new fangled evil smartphones. Since I am out of the office about 70% of the time, the smartphones are extremely valuable to me as our customers have become accustomed to almost immediate responses when they have issues or need customer service.

If we hadn't become such an immediate gratification society, I may still use a flip phone and brag about being behind the times. But since I am not 11 or 82 and have clients that expect quick responses from me, I'll use my evil smartphone to better serve my clients and satisfy some of my web surfing whims while I'm in between appointments.

Just like guns, smartphones are tools. They can be used properly or abused.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:18 pm
by Dragonfighter
The entire family has been on prepaid for years, my daughters text more than talk on theirs. I had a "short bus" phone and my wife's was a tad "smarter". The prepaid prices were going up and we found that with no more data than we use we would all go to T-Mobile which has a family plan with unlimited talk, text and Data (45 until 500MB and then 2G). The wife and I got Samsung S3's (cheap) while the girls got an iPhone 5 and S4 respectively. Mine is not just a smart phone, it's a smarter than me phone...I am still figuring it all out.

All that said, it has saved me some money as I was able to instantly price match an item at Best Buy. It has answered questions quickly and helped me find my way when I did not have our communal GPS with us. Still talk very rarely but I am getting used to sending texts, especially to schedule meetings and such.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:31 am
by Abraham
I'm puzzled about GPS in phones being so widely heralded.

Before GPS in phones, we had maps and they worked just fine and still do.

Some are pre-printed, others hand drawn, but all work.

Wait, I get it, many couldn't use a map and were constantly lost if they had to go to some place new, but couldn't bring themselves to admit it.

Now, they're so dog gone happy they're not lost all the time they're ecstatic and want the world to know the glory of phone GPS.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:12 am
by The Annoyed Man
Abraham wrote:I'm puzzled about GPS in phones being so widely heralded.

Before GPS in phones, we had maps and they worked just fine and still do.

Some are pre-printed, others hand drawn, but all work.

Wait, I get it, many couldn't use a map and were constantly lost if they had to go to some place new, but couldn't bring themselves to admit it.

Now, they're so dog gone happy they're not lost all the time they're ecstatic and want the world to know the glory of phone GPS.
Abraham, many is the time that I used a Thomas Guide to find my way around greater Los Angeles, in the days before GPS. The great advantage to most GPS systems today is that they have a digital voice. You don't have to pull over to look at the map to see where your next turn is, or to look down once in a while at a sheet of directions. You just turn where the digital voice tells you to turn, so the system becomes a heads up system, which is safer all the way around.

The thing about smartphones is this...... Could I live without one? Yes, I could. I lived without any kind of cellphone at all for the first 45 years or so of my life. If an EMP rendered all smartphones and GPS systems inoperable tomorrow, I could easily go back to using maps, pencils, and paper, and figure my way around things. But smartphones aren't that complicated. The technology behind them is, but actually using them isn't. But a common framing hammer is the same way. It's not a complicated tool; but the process of manufacturing one is fairly complex. I remember working for what must have been one of the very last businesses on the planet to buy a fax machine. Yes, we did OK for years without one; but on the day we finally bought one, doing business actually got a lot easier. It made it possible for our business to communicate certain things like quotes, backorders, etc., to our customers at the same rate that our competitors, who already had fax machines, could reach our customers.

Certainly, life is possible without the benefits of technology, but technology has great power to make our lives easier, our businesses more competitive, to expand our horizons and understanding of the world, etc., etc. Smartphones are just a part of that larger picture.

I am responding in this way, with the utmost respect by the way, because you said that you are puzzled about GPS in phones being so widely heralded. You don't understand the popularity. Well, if you had never sipped an ice-cold beer or Dr. Pepper, you could never understand why others like it so much. If you have never owned/used a modern GPS device or smartphone (or a smartphone with a GPS app), then you could never understand the attraction. If you have never driven a car with disc brakes, you could never understand why people couldn't be content with old-school drum brakes. If you had never had a car with digital fuel injection, you would never understand why people couldn't be satisfied with simple carburetors. If you had never fired anything but a lever action .30-30, you couldn't understand why people like AR15s so much.

I could make many more such comparisons. The point is that, while old-school methods still work, new-school methods get adopted because they usually are a better way of doing things. My concern isn't that new technologies are so popular. My concern is whether or not people can exist without them if they have to. The recent Grammy Awards show was a perfect example of what happens to people who rely on technologies without an underlying basic skill set. There is a piece of software in the recording industry called "Autotune" which recognizes when a singer's voice is just a tad sharp or flat relative to the instruments, and it digitally bends the electronic voice signal until it is in tune to the instrument signal. Modern recording artists have come to rely on this so much now that many of them can't sing on key outside of the recording studio. They lack the fundamental skill of being able to sing on key. It was apparent during their Grammy performances. Ditto with electronic guitar tuners. For the first 35 years that I played guitar, I had no electronic tuning device. I used a tuning fork, and my ear........which was pretty good, by the way. Today, after playing for 51 years now, I use electronic tuning pedals to keep my guitar tuned.....because it is quick and accurate, and it gets rid of the tuning fork......but I could easily go back to doing it the old-school way if I had to. Lots of young guitar players have never known a world in which a fairly high-quality accurate electronic tuning device wasn't available. Will they be able to tune their guitars after an EMP? I doubt it........but I can.

So with regard to modern GPS and GPS apps in smartphones, there is nothing wrong with using them. It is a better and safer way of navigating. BUT......batteries can die, cellular service isn't always available, phones get dropped and broken, etc., and it would be pretty silly to find one's self in such a situation, not being able to read a simple map and navigate by it. So your way of doing it is a very good foundation. My way of doing it is an improvement on your way of doing it.........so long as I have the skill to do things your way if my way is no longer available to me.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:27 am
by G26ster
Tower: "Delta 351, you have traffic at 10 o'clock, 6 miles ....."
Delta 351: "Give us another hint! We have digital watches!"

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:30 am
by The Annoyed Man
G26ster wrote:Tower: "Delta 351, you have traffic at 10 o'clock, 6 miles ....."
Delta 351: "Give us another hint! We have digital watches!"
LOL............


.......10 o'clock relative to whom? :mrgreen:

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:36 am
by mojo84
I want to see a preprinted map give me a heads up there is a wreck on my route and has traffic backed up for 2 1/2 miles.

At one time, the sundial was sufficient. Try using one now instead of a watch, clock or smartphone.

Get rid of all those lights that use electricity and go back to lighting your house with candles.

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:20 pm
by Abraham
TAM,

"My concern is whether or not people can exist without them if they have to."

Right on the money.

Recently, I watched a documentary in which people couldn't access their smart phones for 24 hours. After surrendering their phones, most of those being studied soon showed signs of anxiety, depression, short temper, etc., you know, all the hallmarks of addiction. Some essentially threw their hands in the air and quit the study demanding their devices be returned.

Some of those being studied also rather reluctantly agreed their lives were centered around their smart phones. Gad.

I'm sure one day this problem will be overcome as fetuses will be implanted with some sort of technological whiz bang and become part human / part cyborg without the nuisance of having to lug around a plastic box they endlessly diddle with...

On that note, I gonna go out and dig a hole with a stick just because...

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:22 pm
by WildBill
Abraham wrote:Recently, I watched a documentary in which people couldn't access their smart phones for 24 hours. After surrendering their phones, most of those being studied soon showed signs of anxiety, depression, short temper, etc., you know, all the hallmarks of addiction. Some essentially threw their hands in the air and quit the study demanding their devices be returned.
I noticed the same behavior when people try to quit smoking. :cool:

Re: Am I The Only Dinosaur Without A Smart Phone?

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:26 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
WildBill wrote:
Abraham wrote:Recently, I watched a documentary in which people couldn't access their smart phones for 24 hours. After surrendering their phones, most of those being studied soon showed signs of anxiety, depression, short temper, etc., you know, all the hallmarks of addiction. Some essentially threw their hands in the air and quit the study demanding their devices be returned.
I noticed the same behavior when people try to quit smoking. :cool:
Same thing happens to me if I don't have access to this forum. :lol: