DPS drops M&P
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- G.A. Heath
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Re: DPS drops M&P
I wouldn't expect many cheap mags Giga, roughly 360 mags (assuming 3 per gun). Sad thing is I was planning on picking up a a cheap .357 Sig, but those plans are not exactly DOA just yet just temporarily on hold. The funny thing is my preferred non-1911 carry gun is a police trade in Sig P226 (Was not traded back to Sig so no red box) after a set of Nil Grips from Sig Sauer and the Sig Service Plan has given me one heck of a nice gun.
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Re: DPS drops M&P
Speaking of sight movement . . .
I was at the range yesterday for the first time in a few months. My new Shield 9's sight must've shifted. :\ I had a nice 3 shot 1"-1.5" group at 15' . . . about 8 inches away from bullseye at 2 o'clock. Handed it to my buddy . . . who is a significantly better shot than I am . . . was hitting high & right. This sucks because this is my daily carry for the size/weight. :\
Not exactly sure how came to move. It's either pocket carried or IWB in an AlienGear holster (which has ample room for a sight). Nothing else goes in my pocket when pocket carried in a pocket holster.
I was at the range yesterday for the first time in a few months. My new Shield 9's sight must've shifted. :\ I had a nice 3 shot 1"-1.5" group at 15' . . . about 8 inches away from bullseye at 2 o'clock. Handed it to my buddy . . . who is a significantly better shot than I am . . . was hitting high & right. This sucks because this is my daily carry for the size/weight. :\
Not exactly sure how came to move. It's either pocket carried or IWB in an AlienGear holster (which has ample room for a sight). Nothing else goes in my pocket when pocket carried in a pocket holster.
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Re: DPS drops M&P
Shields have a set screw on top that holds the sight in place. It may have become loose. If so, the sight would move from recoil during shooting.LAYGO wrote:Speaking of sight movement . . .
I was at the range yesterday for the first time in a few months. My new Shield 9's sight must've shifted. :\ I had a nice 3 shot 1"-1.5" group at 15' . . . about 8 inches away from bullseye at 2 o'clock. Handed it to my buddy . . . who is a significantly better shot than I am . . . was hitting high & right. This sucks because this is my daily carry for the size/weight. :\
Not exactly sure how came to move. It's either pocket carried or IWB in an AlienGear holster (which has ample room for a sight). Nothing else goes in my pocket when pocket carried in a pocket holster.
You can rough reset the sight by loosening the set screw and drifting it from side to side until there are equal amounts of slide showing on each side of the sight. Then remove the set screw, apply red LocTite thread locker, and reinstall and tighten the set screw.
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- LAYGO
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Re: DPS drops M&P
I'll check that screw & distances. Thanks!Excaliber wrote:Shields have a set screw on top that holds the sight in place. It may have become loose. If so, the sight would move from recoil during shooting.LAYGO wrote:Speaking of sight movement . . .
I was at the range yesterday for the first time in a few months. My new Shield 9's sight must've shifted. :\ I had a nice 3 shot 1"-1.5" group at 15' . . . about 8 inches away from bullseye at 2 o'clock. Handed it to my buddy . . . who is a significantly better shot than I am . . . was hitting high & right. This sucks because this is my daily carry for the size/weight. :\
Not exactly sure how came to move. It's either pocket carried or IWB in an AlienGear holster (which has ample room for a sight). Nothing else goes in my pocket when pocket carried in a pocket holster.
You can rough reset the sight by loosening the set screw and drifting it from side to side until there are equal amounts of slide showing on each side of the sight. Then remove the set screw, apply red LocTite thread locker, and reinstall and tighten the set screw.
S&W M&P 40 Mid (EDC) - S&W Shields (his/hers) - S&W M&P .45C - S&W 4513TSW .45 (1st Gen, retired to nightstand)
CMMG AR15 w/ACOG
Anderson AR15 pistol w/Aimpoint H1
08/04/2013 CHL class taken - plastic rec'd 08/26! Renewed 2018
CMMG AR15 w/ACOG
Anderson AR15 pistol w/Aimpoint H1
08/04/2013 CHL class taken - plastic rec'd 08/26! Renewed 2018
- ShootDontTalk
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Re: DPS drops M&P
Thanks for the heads-up. Mrs SDT's has a laser, so I didn't even see the set screw.Excaliber wrote: Shields have a set screw on top that holds the sight in place. It may have become loose. If so, the sight would move from recoil during shooting.
You can rough reset the sight by loosening the set screw and drifting it from side to side until there are equal amounts of slide showing on each side of the sight. Then remove the set screw, apply red LocTite thread locker, and reinstall and tighten the set screw.
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Re: DPS drops M&P
One micron is less than 10 microns. So is 0.01 microns. Is less better than more?Excaliber wrote:10 microns?G.A. Heath wrote:I got the rest of the information and the exact reply I got back follows:A couple of handguns experienced sight movement of less than 10 microns after repeated firing of about 3,000 rounds. (A micron equals one-millionth of a meter.)
There were also feeding and ejection issues that have not been replicated in additional testing, which involved firing up to 5,000 rounds.
10 micron = 0.000 393 700 787 4 inch
That's about 4/10,000ths of an inch.
They must be using micrometers on the sights to have picked this up.

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Re: DPS drops M&P
That would depend on whether smaller is good or bad.WildBill wrote:One micron is less than 10 microns. So is 0.01 microns. Is less better than more?Excaliber wrote:10 microns?G.A. Heath wrote:I got the rest of the information and the exact reply I got back follows:A couple of handguns experienced sight movement of less than 10 microns after repeated firing of about 3,000 rounds. (A micron equals one-millionth of a meter.)
There were also feeding and ejection issues that have not been replicated in additional testing, which involved firing up to 5,000 rounds.
10 micron = 0.000 393 700 787 4 inch
That's about 4/10,000ths of an inch.
They must be using micrometers on the sights to have picked this up.

Excaliber
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Re: DPS drops M&P
I'm glad they're going back to Sigs. I'm especially glad they're sticking with the .357 Sig and not the 9mm. Where those boys go, and what they do, they need something with a little more "oomph."
Re: DPS drops M&P
Yeah .357sig has more of that "stopping powah"JR's 12 Valve wrote:I'm glad they're going back to Sigs. I'm especially glad they're sticking with the .357 Sig and not the 9mm. Where those boys go, and what they do, they need something with a little more "oomph."

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