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Ruark wrote:It just crossed my mind that some places have the 3006 text etched into the glass. They're going to be ticked off at having to replace it because of a couple of changed words.

jerry_r60 wrote:

Ruark wrote:It just crossed my mind that some places have the 3006 text etched into the glass. They're going to be ticked off at having to replace it because of a couple of changed words.

I've never seen one of these but it doesn't sound like that provides a "contrasting background".

The Annoyed Man wrote:Back when CHL first passed, there was no 30.06 codicil, and so even if some business owner were anti-gun, he would not have been read up on being able to keep people out with a 30.06 sign. But, 30.06 signs have been in existence for a LONG time now, and the one thing that has kept more of them from being posted is simply that if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind.

However, things are more politically polarized than ever these days, and the debates over open carry did not occur in a vaccum....... including details such as 30.07 signage since it is part of the law that was passed, unlike with original CHL law and 30.06. I wonder what impact that is going to have on the posting of signage. Will people who are motivated to post 30.07 signs also go the extra trouble to post 30.06 if they haven't already? Will they do nothing until the first time someone carries openly into their business? Will they carry on as before and do nothing?

Inquiring minds want to know. I'm guessing that there will be an initial jump in the rate at which sign postings get reported on texas3006.com (has Russell already claimed texas3007.com?), after which things will calm down. The reason I think this is that the sign postings will likely be in response to new open carriers who are doing it for the novelty of it, and that when the novelty wears off and they decide to prefer (not "eliminate", I mean prefer) CC over OC, they will OC less frequently, resulting in less frequent postings.

However, the "damage" will have been done as, once the signs have been posted, they are not likely to be taken down ever again. So the question that interests me is to what extent business owners will react this way.

LSUTiger wrote:I wonder when the novelty of being able to carry a concealed handgun for protection is going to wear off?

mloamiller wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Back when CHL first passed, there was no 30.06 codicil, and so even if some business owner were anti-gun, he would not have been read up on being able to keep people out with a 30.06 sign. But, 30.06 signs have been in existence for a LONG time now, and the one thing that has kept more of them from being posted is simply that if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind.

However, things are more politically polarized than ever these days, and the debates over open carry did not occur in a vaccum....... including details such as 30.07 signage since it is part of the law that was passed, unlike with original CHL law and 30.06. I wonder what impact that is going to have on the posting of signage. Will people who are motivated to post 30.07 signs also go the extra trouble to post 30.06 if they haven't already? Will they do nothing until the first time someone carries openly into their business? Will they carry on as before and do nothing?

Inquiring minds want to know. I'm guessing that there will be an initial jump in the rate at which sign postings get reported on texas3006.com (has Russell already claimed texas3007.com?), after which things will calm down. The reason I think this is that the sign postings will likely be in response to new open carriers who are doing it for the novelty of it, and that when the novelty wears off and they decide to prefer (not "eliminate", I mean prefer) CC over OC, they will OC less frequently, resulting in less frequent postings.

However, the "damage" will have been done as, once the signs have been posted, they are not likely to be taken down ever again. So the question that interests me is to what extent business owners will react this way.

My wife and I had that exact conversation about a month ago, and one reason I would not have been terribly upset if Open Carry had not passed. Don't get me wrong - I'm not against Open Carry, but I doubt I will ever do it, and am more concerned about the negative impact those practicing it will have on Concealed Carry. I can just hope that those who do chose to carry openly won't be so "in your face" with it that it costs the rest of us dearly.

Taypo wrote:

TexasGal wrote:I am just hoping everyone who is super eager to carry openly exercise a little sensitivity or we may well see a lot of new signage. Too many people have been led by the media to think we are all the same as OCT and the like. It was videos of those wanna be's that were put on the screen just about every time open carry was covered. Let's try our best to "look" and behave a lot better than that to people who seriously may feel afraid or offended at first. Heck, I already have a friend asking me where he can get 30.07 signs for his business. He has a CHL and is not opposed to the open carry law but he is opposed to having to deal with his customer's views on it.

Same situation with me. CHLs are welcome, including employees, but customer reaction to OC is probably going to drive a 30.07.

ralewis wrote:the 30.06 signage seems to need to be changed, and maybe the new 30.06 signs are never replaced.

ralewis wrote:Couple that with the fact that the 30.06 signage seems to need to be changed, and maybe the new 30.06 signs are never replaced.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Back when CHL first passed, there was no 30.06 codicil, and so even if some business owner were anti-gun, he would not have been read up on being able to keep people out with a 30.06 sign. But, 30.06 signs have been in existence for a LONG time now, and the one thing that has kept more of them from being posted is simply that if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind.

However, things are more politically polarized than ever these days, and the debates over open carry did not occur in a vaccum....... including details such as 30.07 signage since it is part of the law that was passed, unlike with original CHL law and 30.06. I wonder what impact that is going to have on the posting of signage. Will people who are motivated to post 30.07 signs also go the extra trouble to post 30.06 if they haven't already? Will they do nothing until the first time someone carries openly into their business? Will they carry on as before and do nothing?

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However, the "damage" will have been done as, once the signs have been posted, they are not likely to be taken down ever again. So the question that interests me is to what extent business owners will react this way.

• I think some businesses fall into the 'never really thought about it' category, so they never posted a sign, and never knew that we were walking in all the time, fully armed. These folks may (if they are of a certain mindset) start posting 30.07 signs if they see a lot of open carry folks.
  Will they also post 30.06? Perhaps, but perhaps not. After all, as you say,"if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind."
  • I, for one, if asked what sign would be required to ban this "open carry thing", would answer only about the 30.07 language. Never in the past have I ever advised anyone about 30.06, and never will...but I figure if they get the answer that 30.07 solves their problem, and then they act on it with no further research of their own, then 30.07 is all that will get posted.
    In this case, we've gained nothing, and lost nothing.
  • Left to their own devices, they might learn about the 'other' sign as well, and we don't want that.
    In that case, then we've lost CC in a previously acceptable location.
• Some of these businesses (for example: the jewelry store in the Houston Heights area that bears my wife's name) will never be bothered by open carriers, unless she gets a bunch of long-gun open carriers trying to prove some point (OCT anyone?), and she'll simply ask them to leave, and not make her business a focal point of their childish campaign. You won't see any signage on her store, and I think there may be lots of small businesses in this category.
  In this case, we've gained OC in a place that already allowed CC, but lost nothing.
• Others will have had 30.06 signs for a long time. I'm VERY certain that all of these will post 30.07 immediately upon seeing the first open carrier in their store.
  • My hope is that when doing so, they forget to change their 30.06 sign as well. The end result is that a lot of old places that previously banned CC would be opened up to us finally.
    In this case, we gained CC only in a place previously prohibited, and lost nothing.
  • If they post both signs properly then so be it.
    In this case, we've gained nothing, and lost nothing.