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mojo84 wrote:As proven on here and in my daily lufe, every one has an opinion. Some of which are based on more sound reasoning and understanding than others.

I have also come to the conclusion too many people are just looking for opportunities to be offended.

The folks that feel entitled to be offended need to get over themselves. Being offended is just part of life.

True, I try and respect as many opinions as i can, living not to offend. So i do at least try and consider somones viewpoint if i have done something to offend them.

We are talking about New York..... is it really that far fetched?

dcrot1 wrote:We are talking about New York..... is it really that far fetched?

Yes it is. The world's largest free flying American Flag flies over the George Washington Bridge in NYC.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/ ... 34x424.jpg

dale blanker wrote:

mojo84 wrote: If you don't want to say it, don't. Just like saying a prayer, if you don't want to pray, don't. Why try to convince others to conform to you? The fact we have the choice is one of the great things about our country and what makes me want to say the Pledge.

Lots of luck with choosing not to, especially for the kids at school. I always do the salute but frequently skip saying the words.

And I certainly agree about our country's greatness (and don't feel that it needs to be made great again) - all the more reason to skip the brainwashing like some countries do.

The pledge was first written in 1892. It was unveiled in October at the Chicago World Fair Columbian Exposition to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America.
The Pledge's author, Francis Bellamy, never intended the Pledge to be said on a daily basis. It was written for a national school celebration to commemorate Christopher Columbus' discovery of America.
The original text for the Pledge of Allegiance did not include "under God." Congress officially added that phrase in 1954.
The Pledge used to include a military-style salute. But the salute became associated with European fascists in the 1930s. Congress amended the U.S. Flag Code in 1942 to recommend the hand-over-the-heart salute.
Until 1943, school children could be expelled for not saying the Pledge in school. That issue was resolved in the 1943 Supreme Court decision West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, which ruled that the right to not speak is equally protected under the First Amendment as the right to free speech.
California schools aren't required to teach the pledge. The state education code only requires a daily patriotic exercise. The pledge is prevalent throughout the state as a means to that end, but it's up to local school boards to adopt appropriate regulations.
Teachers don't have to say the pledge or lead their students it, even if their school district calls for a daily recitation by students. The First Amendment allows them to bow out.
There were previous pledges to the flag. Civil war veteran George T. Balch wrote this one in 1885: "I give my heart and my hand to my country—one country, one language, one flag."

I tired of the course we have taken. No American flag on fire trucks, no pledge of allegiance in school, don't say Merry Christmas, bathroom issue's. Country is coming apart, what's next?

striker55 wrote:I tired of the course we have taken. No American flag on fire trucks, no pledge of allegiance in school, don't say Merry Christmas, bathroom issue's. Country is coming apart, what's next?

We know we are in deep trouble when that which is good is considered bad and that which is bad considered good. Progressivism at it finest. Progressive dems seem to think they are the enlightened ones. In actuality, they are the ones that will bring our country's demise if allowed.

Well, my guessing is that someone of authority wanted the flag on the engine. That was this fire houses choice because for some reason they felt like there was a need to. Flag was placed on city owned property (equipment) thus not owned (probably) by the person who put it there. The board who has the rights of the equipment probably asked politely for it to be taken down after some time. It was not removed off the equipment so they had to take a vote.
If this was not an American flag but a football themed flag would we be having the same discussion? Probably not... We are having this discussion because many people feel that America's values are under attack. (And they are!)

IMHO i respect the ownership of the equipment and the ruling, I would have put up 5 flags in front on the fire station instead. I am sure the board had realized their mistake of not giving a better explanation and clarified the resoning or smoothed it over somehow. 100% sure that was left out nor was reported.

I wonder if the whole issue doesn't boil down to the fact the firefighters' union is the one that requested the flag be placed on the truck.

My disdain for unions make me wish it was just the firefighters themselves that put the flag on it.

Good point!

AndyC wrote:The flag can go back!

https://www.google.com/amp/news10.com/2 ... rucks/amp/

And not just one one

Now they're getting it!

G26ster wrote:

dcrot1 wrote:We are talking about New York..... is it really that far fetched?

Yes it is. The world's largest free flying American Flag flies over the George Washington Bridge in NYC.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/ ... 34x424.jpg

I'm sorry.... I just don't find it surprising at all....