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The best way to let the network know it's not wise to keep Costas is to contact every sponsor and advise them you won't want any program if he's on it. Oh yeah, you also won't buy their products if they sponsor a program with Costas. Vote with your dollars.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:The best way to let the network know it's not wise to keep Costas is to contact every sponsor and advise them you won't want any program if he's on it. Oh yeah, you also won't buy their products if they sponsor a program with Costas. Vote with your dollars.

Chas.

Been working on that, but unfortunately it also requires watching NBC and particularly Costas.

So, with another death coming at the hands of an NFL player, will Bob go on national tv again and give us his opinion on drinking and driving???

TxA wrote:So, with another death coming at the hands of an NFL player, will Bob go on national tv again and give us his opinion on drinking and driving???

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. The answer to that question would be NO, because he is too ignorant of the facts to put that together in his little pea brained head.

I watched the beginning of the Green Bay game on NBC. Costas was there. Costas talked about it briefly, but did not blame drinking or cars for the death. Then they switched to three guys in the studio who talked about the death of the Dallas player. There was some discussion of how coaches would tell the players to go easy on Friday night and also not to drive if they had been drinking. No mention of a car culture or drinking culture with professional football. Or banning drinking or cars.

That then led right into to the gun suicide with the Chiefs. Apparently the NFL or somebody is encouraging the players to turn in their guns. A bunch have. They also mentioned that the shooter in this incident had EIGHT guns. Many of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

It is frustrating.

philip964 wrote:I watched the beginning of the Green Bay game on NBC. Costas was there. Costas talked about it briefly, but did not blame drinking or cars for the death. Then they switched to three guys in the studio who talked about the death of the Dallas player. There was some discussion of how coaches would tell the players to go easy on Friday night and also not to drive if they had been drinking. No mention of a car culture or drinking culture with professional football. Or banning drinking or cars.

That then led right into to the gun suicide with the Chiefs. Apparently the NFL or somebody is encouraging the players to turn in their guns. A bunch have. They also mentioned that the shooter in this incident had EIGHT guns. Many of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

It is frustrating.

Simply put, very pathetic.

It seems that with a little introspection the NCAA and NFL (NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.) would realize that the system is pushing these young men into bad positions. They get recruited in high school, put on a pedestal in college, given millions of dollars, and never expect them to learn anything more than a sport. Is anyone really surprised that these things keep happening to college and professional athletes?

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

TexasCajun wrote:

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

I agree with you in principle. However, I wish they would just sell them to someone that is qualified and capable of owning them rather than turning them in or surrendering them voluntarily in a manner that is made public. It just gives the anti-gun lobby more ammo against us gun owners.

mojo84 wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

I agree with you in principle. However, I wish they would just sell them to someone that is qualified and capable of owning them rather than turning them in or surrendering them voluntarily in a manner that is made public. It just gives the anti-gun lobby more ammo against us gun owners.

Maybe the NRA should institute a buyer's remorse buy-back or turn-in program. The acquired guns could be used for training & first-shots programs. And the PR wouldn't be such a bad thing either. Most big-box retailers that sell guns have a no-return policy, so this could be promoted as an out if someone buys or inherits a gun then decides that it's not for them.

TexasCajun wrote:

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

Responsible gun ownership is not the principle being advanced. The rhetorical push is that all guns are bad and that no one should have guns. By giving in to this push they are merely helping publicize the notion that guns are bad and dangerous to have in the home. This is 100% anti-gun ownership and has nothing to do with responsible gun handling or possession. You will NEVER see any talk on the legacy media about responsible gun ownership because the left entirely rejects the possibility and it doesn't advance their agenda. So, these guys turning in their guns is not a victory for responsible gun ownership; it's a victory for leftist anti-gun propaganda.

And watching the lefties attack gun ownership on television facilitates the anti-gun crowd. It's about one-half step away from sending in a contribution to the Brady Bunch.

VMI77 wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

Responsible gun ownership is not the principle being advanced. The rhetorical push is that all guns are bad and that no one should have guns. By giving in to this push they are merely helping publicize the notion that guns are bad and dangerous to have in the home. This is 100% anti-gun ownership and has nothing to do with responsible gun handling or possession. You will NEVER see any talk on the legacy media about responsible gun ownership because the left entirely rejects the possibility and it doesn't advance their agenda. So, these guys turning in their guns is not a victory for responsible gun ownership; it's a victory for leftist anti-gun propaganda.

And watching the lefties attack gun ownership on television facilitates the anti-gun crowd. It's about one-half step away from sending in a contribution to the Brady Bunch.

This all-or-nothing approach isn't going to win friends & influence people. I bet the mainstream media would be beside-themselves-floored if the NRA issued a statement congratulating the players for responsibly getting rid of their guns after reconsidering the responsibility of gun ownership. They wouldn't be able to go to press quick enough with a 'NRA Backs Buyback Program' headline. And just like the Brady Bunch, the facts don't need to be 100% accurate in order to suit the needs of the pro 2A portion of the audience, just accurate enough.

TexasCajun wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:

philip964 wrote:IMany of the players who turned their guns in said they did not trust themselves with them in their homes.

Those players should be congratulated. It takes courage to admit when you're wrong or that you're in over your head. Gun ownership isn't for everybody, and neither is the decision to carry on a daily basis. If these guys got into guns because "it was cool" or because "it was macho" and now have second thoughts about it, it's a very mature decision that you don't often see in pro sports and certainly is almost never celebrated. I'd rather hear about pros deciding that the gun thing isn't for them & responsibly getting rid of them vs another tradgedy happening after they've kept them around despite having doubts or misgivings.

Responsible gun ownership is not the principle being advanced. The rhetorical push is that all guns are bad and that no one should have guns. By giving in to this push they are merely helping publicize the notion that guns are bad and dangerous to have in the home. This is 100% anti-gun ownership and has nothing to do with responsible gun handling or possession. You will NEVER see any talk on the legacy media about responsible gun ownership because the left entirely rejects the possibility and it doesn't advance their agenda. So, these guys turning in their guns is not a victory for responsible gun ownership; it's a victory for leftist anti-gun propaganda.

And watching the lefties attack gun ownership on television facilitates the anti-gun crowd. It's about one-half step away from sending in a contribution to the Brady Bunch.

This all-or-nothing approach isn't going to win friends & influence people. I bet the mainstream media would be beside-themselves-floored if the NRA issued a statement congratulating the players for responsibly getting rid of their guns after reconsidering the responsibility of gun ownership. They wouldn't be able to go to press quick enough with a 'NRA Backs Buyback Program' headline. And just like the Brady Bunch, the facts don't need to be 100% accurate in order to suit the needs of the pro 2A portion of the audience, just accurate enough.

There's just one flaw in that line of thinking: the left owns the legacy media. It's not that the NRA doing what you suggest isn't a good idea --it's just that the only people who will ever hear about are NRA members who read it in the American Rifleman. The legacy media is not going to carry any message that undermines its agenda. And the legacy media approach is all or nothing --all anti-gun, anti-self-defense, all the time.....nothing pro-gun or pro-self-defense allowed. If they did publicize such a statement or program, they'd lie about it in terms that would support their anti-gun agenda.