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What the heck is a "clam shell parking lot"?

sjfcontrol wrote:What the heck is a "clam shell parking lot"?

Clam and oyster shells are sometimes used as filler material for paving dirt and gravel driveways and parking lots.

They can be quite sharp and abrasive to human skin.

There is one Oyster Bar Restaurant where I eat dinner that throws their emptied oyster shells in the parking lot.

After a couple of weeks the shells broken and smashed by the cars and trucks of their patrons.

sjfcontrol wrote:What the heck is a "clam shell parking lot"?

So, youre not accustomed to how we used to do things in the big coastal cities.....must be a country boy

Clam & oyster shell were commonly dredged and used for roads, drive ways and parking lots.

Clam shell was preferred as it lasted longer. Oyster shell was cheaper but quickly broke down and turned to dust. I can promise you....hot summer day + new shell = an eau de cologne that would attract every fly for miles & gag the maggots on the foulest of roadkill skunks!

Trust me, as a teen I worked on a garbage truck and when it comes to stink, I know what Im "tawkin bout"

Jim Beaux wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:What the heck is a "clam shell parking lot"?

So, youre not accustomed to how we used to do things in the big coastal cities.....must be a country boy

I can promise you....hot summer day + new shell = an eau de cologne that would attract every fly for miles & gag the maggots on the foulest of roadkill skunks!

Jim Beaux,

Working as a garbage man, you worked at a very hard, dangerous job.

Years ago, a friend of mine was a city manager and he extolled me with tales of his garbage guys getting hurt with broken glass and other horrors. These guys were constantly being injured.

Those with the courage to work at this particular job deserve big pay...

My hat is off to you SIR.

Abraham wrote:Jim Beaux,

Working as a garbage man, you worked at a very hard, dangerous job.

Years ago, a friend of mine was a city manager and he extolled me with tales of his garbage guys getting hurt with broken glass and other horrors. These guys were constantly being injured.

Those with the courage to work at this particular job deserve big pay...

My hat is off to you SIR.

Thank you - it seemed like a good idea at the time! Seriously, Im proud of that experience. It wasnt as bad as it sounds.

I was 16 and worked for a private collector in unincorporated/rural areas. The customers usually used two 55 gal barrels that we popped a hole in the side near the bottom to let most of the water drain. They worked well until the rusted bottoms burst out over our heads!

We picked up on Saturdays & got paid $15 regardless of how long we worked. Wasnt bad money if we worked fast, but sometimes it took 11-12 hours.

The truck was a stake bed with a lift for dumping....but one of us had to ride in the bed and stomp the garbage down as the 2 on the ground paired up to lift the heavy drums up overhead to the "stomper". Lawd it was hot & dirty work in the humidity of southeast Texas. It was common to find maggots & fire ants under our shirts.

First day on job - as was the norm, we ate lunch under a shade tree on the side of the road. My hands were black & grimy and I couldnt eat because there was no place to wash my hands....thought I would starve before the day was out. The next week, no problem...I wolfed down my 2 sandwiches in two grime laden gulps!

At the end of the day I wasnt allowed in the house until I stripped off in the back yard and showered using dish washing soap and the garden hose!

Jim Beaux wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:Some here fail to realize that if youre jumped from behind you have a good chance of being taken completely out - and if your hands are in your pockets, you are even more vulnerable.

Years ago I saw a big muscular guy, 6'+ and weighing around 225#, get taken down in a clam shell parking lot by a much smaller guy.

The little guy executed a perfect tackle. He wrapped the guy up; pinning the victim's arms to his side while driving him down. The victim never knew what hit him. He was helpless and landed flat on his face. As he lay stunned & out of breath the smaller guy proceeded to brutally beat him nearly unconscious.

I quickly learned that you dont want to take a header in a clam shell parking lot. The guy's face was really cut up.

If I can get just my hand out of my pocket and the gun aimed at his groin I can probably make some time to get to my Kimber.

...and if you were a Ninja you could jump 10' straight up, do a back flip - land behind the attacker and paralyze him with a finger to the base of his skull.

The ridicule was unnecessary.

That is one reason I carry my back up gun (Beretta 32) in my left front pocket and sometimes walk with my left hand in my pocket with the gun in my hand.

It is usually in the pocket holster but any time I think someone could get to me before I could get to my Kimber, the 32 is in my hand.

Guilty of battery.
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/20 ... /26269309/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AndyC wrote:[video]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JwVS9ApWCtI[/video]

Very weak "choke hold". Dude is luck he didn't get shot.

VoiceofReason wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:Some here fail to realize that if youre jumped from behind you have a good chance of being taken completely out - and if your hands are in your pockets, you are even more vulnerable.

Years ago I saw a big muscular guy, 6'+ and weighing around 225#, get taken down in a clam shell parking lot by a much smaller guy.

The little guy executed a perfect tackle. He wrapped the guy up; pinning the victim's arms to his side while driving him down. The victim never knew what hit him. He was helpless and landed flat on his face. As he lay stunned & out of breath the smaller guy proceeded to brutally beat him nearly unconscious.

I quickly learned that you dont want to take a header in a clam shell parking lot. The guy's face was really cut up.

If I can get just my hand out of my pocket and the gun aimed at his groin I can probably make some time to get to my Kimber.

...and if you were a Ninja you could jump 10' straight up, do a back flip - land behind the attacker and paralyze him with a finger to the base of his skull.

The ridicule was unnecessary.

That is one reason I carry my back up gun (Beretta 32) in my left front pocket and sometimes walk with my left hand in my pocket with the gun in my hand.

It is usually in the pocket holster but any time I think someone could get to me before I could get to my Kimber, the 32 is in my hand.

Not just unnecessary but it's just as illogical as the antis telling us our guns won't do us any good because we COULD be surprised. You can find a scenario that would prevent any defense or defensive gun use....but the more unique an attack is to a particular situation the less likely it will be the kind of attack you have to defend yourself against (or it will be an obvious attack that you should be expecting).

Someone could come up behind us and shoot us in the head before we could react. Could...but doesn't happen all that much. The main difference between the guy with his hands in his pockets being smashed to the ground, or not, is situational awareness. If you let someone come up behind you like that there are worse things he can do than tackle you to the ground. If your hand is around the grip of a gun in your pocket you're probably paying attention. Any of us can be surprised, but if that was the final word then all self-defense would be pointless.

ELB wrote:Guilty of battery.
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/20 ... /26269309/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As he should be.

Wonder what the sentencing will be. Anyone think he'll get off with a few hours community service?

mr1337 wrote:

ELB wrote:Guilty of battery.
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/20 ... /26269309/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As he should be.

Wonder what the sentencing will be. Anyone think he'll get off with a few hours community service?

Maybe. Probably also a decent fine.

What are you as the CC supposed to think when a person is attacking you like that? That's the reason I carry in the first place.

LSUTiger wrote:What are you as the CC supposed to think when a person is attacking you like that? That's the reason I carry in the first place.

Treat any assailant the same, unless they are a police officer. Fight for your life - you don't know their intentions.

The offender in this case was VERY lucky that he didn't get ventilated.

mr1337 wrote: Treat any assailant the same, unless they are a police officer. Fight for your life - you don't know their intentions.
The offender in this case was VERY lucky that he didn't get ventilated.

Why do police officers get special treatment? In practicality, I can't argue with the rule as outlined above, but in terms of the law, a LEO assaulting someone is just a criminal with a badge.
Note a LEO using necessary force to arrest someone isn't an assailant.