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Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:48 pm
by safety1
Tracker wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:So much for Straus' promise to get SB11 to the House Floor for debate and voting. I want to see the House Journal when it's published to see what Republicans voted against the motion to suspend the rules.
Chas.
So with all the senators and reps with their names on the related bill there won't be a blow back to Straus in '17?
He held it for waaaaay to long. Blow back needs to be strong!
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:48 pm
by Vitticeps
Papa_Tiger wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:Papa_Tiger wrote:I applaud the legislators for using the rules as written to achieve their desired result. I only wish some of our national representatives would stand on principle and use the rules to their fullest extent to block things that they dislike.
As much as I may dislike the likely outcome of their actions, I appreciate that they are willing to work within the rules as written.
This was not an underhanded move; it's done all the time. It is done in part because of the Star Chamber-like procedure of having a Calendars Committee that works in absolute secrecy. The House should have the same procedure used by the Senate so no Member can secretly kill/tag a bill in Calendars.
Chas.
I was referring to the action on the floor today rather than anything leading up to this in the Calendars Committee. The fact that SB 11 made it out of the Calendars Committee and onto the floor calendar when it did meant that there was a limited time for the bill to live. I appreciate that those opposed to it worked within the rules of the House to kill a bill they deemed unacceptable while potentially killing other bills that they may have supported.
If I'm going to be consistent in my praise of the rules when they work for me, I have to praise the rules when they work against me as well. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't look for a way to change the rules, but I also have to acknowledge that I change the rules at my own peril.
Working within the rules by abusing and exploiting them isn't an admirable act in my view.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:53 pm
by safety1
What I'm more interested in now is how does this affect HB910??
I recall a party platform saying something about Pro2A bills.....hmmmmm.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:55 pm
by Papa_Tiger
Vitticeps wrote:Working within the rules by abusing and exploiting them isn't an admirable act in my view.
Do you say that only because using the rules to their fullest worked against something you are passionate about in this case? Would you be for the stretching of the rules if the tables were turned and there was a bill on the table with a remote chance of coming up that would strip 2A rights or some other cause that you were passionate about and the only way that the bill dies is because of said rules stretching/abusing/exploiting?
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:57 pm
by baldeagle
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Campus-carry is dead.
SB11 passed the Senate on March 19th and was in the House the next day. Speaker Joe Straus didn't refer it to committee until 46 days later (5/9/15). A rules vote has just killed campus-carry because of the intentional delay getting this early-passed bill to the House Floor on the very last day it could pass. This is Joe Straus' fault. Undoubtedly, others were involved, but the control and responsibility falls on Straus' shoulders.
Chas.
I have refrained from commenting on this, because I didn't want to sound negative. However, I have not believed, from the very beginning, that campus carry would pass the legislature. As long as Strauss is the Speaker, campus carry is and will always be dead. That's reality. The question is, what will Texans do about it? I suspect nothing. Frankly, I have just about given up on this country. The politicians could care less what the people want, yet the people keep re-electing them. It's time to face reality. Nothing is going to change.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:57 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Papa_Tiger wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:Papa_Tiger wrote:I applaud the legislators for using the rules as written to achieve their desired result. I only wish some of our national representatives would stand on principle and use the rules to their fullest extent to block things that they dislike.
As much as I may dislike the likely outcome of their actions, I appreciate that they are willing to work within the rules as written.
This was not an underhanded move; it's done all the time. It is done in part because of the Star Chamber-like procedure of having a Calendars Committee that works in absolute secrecy. The House should have the same procedure used by the Senate so no Member can secretly kill/tag a bill in Calendars.
Chas.
I was referring to the action on the floor today rather than anything leading up to this in the Calendars Committee. The fact that SB 11 made it out of the Calendars Committee and onto the floor calendar when it did meant that there was a limited time for the bill to live. I appreciate that those opposed to it worked within the rules of the House to kill a bill they deemed unacceptable while potentially killing other bills that they may have supported.
Suspension of the rules is working within the rules. You make it sound like the attempt was both unusual and unethical; it was neither. It a way to prioritize bills and to counter the Star Chamber impact of the Calendars Committee. As already noted, this is precisely the procedure that is used in the Senate to make the process open and transparent, rather than having a Calendars Committee.
Chas.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 2:59 pm
by Ruark
They're going down the list of Senate Bills at
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; right now. They have 30 left. I'm not sure where they're going after that.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:10 pm
by chuck j
Watched about three hours of it , with the stalling and 'recognitions' etc I sure don't see campus carry being brought up because of it's place in the pecking order .
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:12 pm
by J.R.@A&M
timtheteacher wrote:They are moving quicker...
Good thing. I wouldn't want Sen. Ellis' sunscreen bill to lose the chance of having the schools actually provide the sunscreen.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:14 pm
by txyaloo
J.R.@A&M wrote:timtheteacher wrote:They are moving quicker...
Good thing. I wouldn't want Sen. Ellis' sunscreen bill to lose the chance of having the schools actually provide the sunscreen.
Hard to believe things have changed so much that we need a law allowing sunscreen in schools. Talk about "common sense" laws.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:16 pm
by Aggie_engr
There has certainly been a noticeable change in pace. All of a sudden Canales lost his (fake) long Texas drawl and can speak very articulate and quickly. Something had to have happened?
I even heard one Rep say to the speaker he wasn't chubbing, as though he didn't want to be accused of it?
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:18 pm
by NotRPB
20 more bills on third reading, including this one Then 8 postponed bills. Then the Ethics bill. Then Major State. #txlege
now 19
Aggie_engr wrote:There has certainly been a noticeable change in pace. All of a sudden
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:20 pm
by Ruark
So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:20 pm
by CJD