Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:21 am
It seems an important factor will be the selection of the members of the conference committee.
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SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
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Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:30 am
So twin giraffes take precedence over important state business? Geez
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:32 am
Hey everyone needs their own giraffe headwear to celebrate giraffe day!jamminbutter wrote:So twin giraffes take precedence over important state business? Geez
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:33 am
jamminbutter wrote:So twin giraffes take precedence over important state business? Geez
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:33 am
I kept thinking: I don't care about the opinion of an 18, 19, or 20 year old undergrad student on this matter. That's like letting the same group choose what brands of beer will be sold at alumni tailgate events.RoyGBiv wrote:It's pretty easy to predict that fear mongering progressivism will win that argument.The Annoyed Man wrote:I wonder if the part about "after consulting with students, staff, and faculty..." has any teeth in it. Will students actually get a say? Will staff actually get a say? Or will libtard faculty have all the clout?RoyGBiv wrote:Reading Amendment 6... Looks like it changed the bill from "private colleges are still prohibited" to "private colleges can opt out".
I don't have a lot of grief about that, assuming I'm reading it correctly. Probably why it passed without a record vote.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Here's 411.2031(e): http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83 ... 00182I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on premises that are owned or leased and operated by the
institution and located on the campus of the institution.
When you leave civil liberties decisions to academics, they will never choose to support 2A. It's not in their genetics. Bottom line is that if you want to have 2A rights in any educational environment, the decision MUST be removed from the hands of educators and placed in the hands of legislators and judges.
Assuming campus carry passes in some useful form, it's a good step in the right direction. No law abiding person should disarmed. Predators will never obey any words on any page. It's only "Hope and Change" logic that could ever imagine a positive outcome from disarming the law abiding.
. . . and in dialogue, people kept changing the words "staff, faculty" to "administrators". Big difference. And the feedback will only work if there is no retribution for somebody standing up and advocating for the right to carry.
I wouldn't have minded seeing some preemption language to protect the public university employees' rights to carry.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:34 am
Exactly the point I was getting at....RoyGBiv wrote:It's pretty easy to predict that fear mongering progressivism will win that argument.The Annoyed Man wrote:I wonder if the part about "after consulting with students, staff, and faculty..." has any teeth in it. Will students actually get a say? Will staff actually get a say? Or will libtard faculty have all the clout?RoyGBiv wrote:Reading Amendment 6... Looks like it changed the bill from "private colleges are still prohibited" to "private colleges can opt out".
I don't have a lot of grief about that, assuming I'm reading it correctly. Probably why it passed without a record vote.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Here's 411.2031(e): http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83 ... 00182I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on premises that are owned or leased and operated by the
institution and located on the campus of the institution.
When you leave civil liberties decisions to academics, they will never choose to support 2A. It's not in their genetics. Bottom line is that if you want to have 2A rights in any educational environment, the decision MUST be removed from the hands of educators and placed in the hands of legislators and judges.
Assuming campus carry passes in some useful form, it's a good step in the right direction. No law abiding person should disarmed. Predators will never obey any words on any page. It's only "Hope and Change" logic that could ever imagine a positive outcome from disarming the law abiding.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:37 am
"Input" from various groups is meaningless. There will never be a consensus from any group in favor or concealed carry and if there was it is only "input". This is lipstick on a pig. Truly the exception that guts the rule.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:41 am
I don't think private colleges can opt out. Amendment 6 explicitly states "strike Section 411.2031(e)". That's the section you quoted that allows the opt-out. With that section gone, there's no provision to opt out.RoyGBiv wrote:Reading Amendment 6... Looks like it changed the bill from "private colleges are still prohibited" to "private colleges can opt out".
I don't have a lot of grief about that, assuming I'm reading it correctly. Probably why it passed without a record vote.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Here's 411.2031(e): http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83 ... 00182I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on premises that are owned or leased and operated by the
institution and located on the campus of the institution.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:52 am
My reading of the amendment is that 411.2031 be removed. Do I need more coffeee?RoyGBiv wrote:Reading Amendment 6... Looks like it changed the bill from "private colleges are still prohibited" to "private colleges can opt out".
I don't have a lot of grief about that, assuming I'm reading it correctly. Probably why it passed without a record vote.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Here's 411.2031(e): http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83 ... 00182I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on premises that are owned or leased and operated by the
institution and located on the campus of the institution.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:54 am
I've had two cups of French Roast, and that's how I understand it.sugar land dave wrote:My reading of the amendment is that 411.2031 be removed. Do I need more coffeee?RoyGBiv wrote:Reading Amendment 6... Looks like it changed the bill from "private colleges are still prohibited" to "private colleges can opt out".
I don't have a lot of grief about that, assuming I'm reading it correctly. Probably why it passed without a record vote.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?
Here's 411.2031(e): http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83 ... 00182I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on premises that are owned or leased and operated by the
institution and located on the campus of the institution.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:55 am
Actually SewTexas the only reason the bill passed is BECAUSE I went to bed and stopped the jinx!SewTexas wrote:Joe is going to be sorry he went to bed
I'm going to watch the recording of the melee. Thank you Lord!
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:58 am
Going forward, are the next steps 1) concurrence (or likely, not) by the Senate, then 2) conference committee, then 3) both House and Senate approval of conference report ?
And if I have all that right, are House and Senate conference votes just up or down? I assume the are still at risk of chubbing or filibustering.
And if I have all that right, are House and Senate conference votes just up or down? I assume the are still at risk of chubbing or filibustering.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:05 am
I won't belabor the first parts...I think you are on the right track.J.R.@A&M wrote:Going forward, are the next steps 1) concurrence (or likely, not) by the Senate, then 2) conference committee, then 3) both House and Senate approval of conference report ?
And if I have all that right, are House and Senate conference votes just up or down? I assume the are still at risk of chubbing or filibustering.
Yes just up or down, I don't believe a concurrence vote can be filibustered, but the conference votes could.
Re: SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:06 am
Dropped out last night sickened by the "sausage." Woke up this AM to cheers. But after catching up, it seems it's still dead, just allowed another couple of days to garner some $ from scared Bloombergbots for MDA.
Or is my take wrong? Because it seems the amendments will kill concurrence and there's no time for a conference. So all this is window dressing, just in a different form.
Or is my take wrong? Because it seems the amendments will kill concurrence and there's no time for a conference. So all this is window dressing, just in a different form.