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tfrazier wrote:Yesterday evening I was as angry as I've ever been since 9/11. (WARNING: MILD PROFANITY IN THE LINKED ARTICLE) I wrote an article titled "Typical Muslim Malik Nadal Hasan Murders Soldiers at Fort Hood" on my blog. I'd welcome comments and opinions from my fellow CHL holders.

I'm amazed at all the people who express shock and surprise that so many were killed and wounded before Hasan was taken down. U.S. domestic military bases are under the ultimate form of federal gun control and outside of firearms training areas nobody is legal to carry a firearm other than law enforcement. See how well it works...

But the bigger issue right here and now is how we allow our enemies to infiltrate and destroy under our self-imposed "tolerance" and political correctness so they can take advantage of unarmed citizens.

God bless our military and law enforcement folks who are in the day-to-day fight.

May justice be served to this murderer and those who should have seen it coming and did nothing about it; as well as those idiot authoritarians past and present who have worked to ensure our troops are defenseless on their own home bases.

Throughout my 24 years of service I always marvelled at the vulnerability of most bases to this sort of attack. I always knew and dreaded that someone would take advantage of it sooner or later.
I also am amazed at the ignorance (word being used literally and not in a derogatory manner) that the general public has of just what military life is actually like. We certainly are not the Israeli's with a highly militarized society.
And yes, I think that our leaders don't trust us with weapons on base. Never have.

This has certainly been a tragic 24 hours and my heart goes out to the victims. I am going to try not to lose sight of the big picture here. At the end of the day, this was a fanatic who was angrily attacking a soft target for political or religious reasons. He happened to choose a military base, as I presume he believed it would make a strong political statement. He is not the only angry, disturbed individual out there who is more than happy to die to force his misguided views on all of us during this time of war. The next soft target will likely not be a military base, but a school, a mall, a restaurant or a church. Now is not a time to panic, or for fear mongering, but to be alert, wise and vigilant. I will be heading to the range tonight, to polish my skills. I will make an extra effort to notice the people around me, and note anyone who is acting out of place or unusual. I will try not to take anything for granted. If I am at the location of the next soft target attack, I will hope that it is God's will and not mere chance, and I pray that I will respond quickly and effectively. And if a couple of you guys just so happen to be there too, I won't complain!

The LEO who shot this guy and ended the shooting did a great job and is a hero. She responded within 3 minutes. Great response time. BUT, it reinforce that adage that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!!

Just reported on WFAA, channel 8 in Dallas: Yesterday morning before he went to work, he gave his next door neighbor food from his refrigerator, a copy of the Koran, and told her he "wouldn't be back". She didn't think that was unusual as she knew he was being deployed, and thought that he was leaving yesterday.

I saw that our "ElGato" was on the post at the time of the shooting...Apparently he is ok, but he is not a happy camper...For obvious reasons...

I got this info on another website...

Again, he is fine, I would probably not inundate him with PM's or other calls just yet...Let's let it settle down, and make sure what I saw is correct...

That coupled with yelling Allahu Akbar when he walked in the building are strong indications of motive. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Thoughts and Qustions:

1. Firearms are not allowed, among other places, where there are federal government employees; e.g., National Parks, Post Offices, Social Security Offices, Courthouses, Fed Office Buildings, Airports, Military Bases and Posts, etc., etc, ad nauseum. That is a pity.

2. Have the handguns used by the shooter been identified? A Beretta 92FS (M96?) will hold 16 cartridges EACH.

3. Why was this guy allowed to stay in the military and how many others like him are there presently serving in the different branches?

4. Not all Feds want to hide from acknowledging the fact that there are enemies within. Unfortunately, they are not embedded within the current administration; the leader of which also has, albeit adopted, a muslim name.

Oldgringo wrote:Thoughts and Qustions:

1. Firearms are not allowed, among other places, where there are federal government employees; e.g., National Parks, Post Offices, Social Security Offices, Courthouses, Fed Office Buildings, Airports, Military Bases and Posts, etc., etc, ad nauseum. That is a pity.

2. Have the handguns used by the shooter been identified? A Beretta 92FS (M96?) will hold 16 cartridges EACH.

3. Why was this guy allowed to stay in the military and how many others like him are there presently serving in the different branches?

4. Not all Feds want to hide from acknowledging the fact that there are enemies within. Unfortunately, they are not embedded within the current administration; the leader of which also has an adopted muslim name.

It's all going to come out in the wash...

Your question #1 speaks volumes!!! But it will not garner answers worth a flip...Because they are with the government, and they know what is best for you!!! And don't rock the boat...

Oldgringo wrote:Have the handguns used by the shooter been identified?

This article says he had two handguns, but only fired one. It was a Five-seveN. The calls for banning it should begin in 3... 2... 1...

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The initial investigation shows that Hasan allegedly used only one gun during the attack — a 5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol.

Army officials said Hasan also was carrying another handgun. But the law enforcement official said there's nothing so far to indicate the second weapon was fired.

I can only imagine how the Brady bunch are trying to adjust their rhetoric: "Handguns are so dangerous that only the police and military... uhmmm, ooops."

The FN would have a standard 20 round magazine, or 30 round extended magazine. He could have fired those shots with just one or two magazine changes. I haven't heard a round count yet. Not that it matters. Someone with a 1911 and a pocket full of 7-round magazines could shoot just as much, just as fast.

The reports say the officer who shot him responded in three minutes. If it was literally 180 seconds, Hasan could have fired 90 rounds (it sounds like it was probably less), and had a full two seconds between shots. Rate of fire and magazine capacity just wouldn't be an issue.

tfrazier,

I cannot comment on your blog as I have not read the Quran. I have an understanding of Islam but have not read its writings.

You stated that you wish justice be served to this fool. I am assuming that you mean death. Yes, I know what assuming does.

Now, If he dies for what he has done he is a martyr.

I wish that this idiot will live out his days in Fort Leavenworth as a fool instead of leaving this world a martyr.

Purplehood wrote: ...
Throughout my 24 years of service I always marvelled at the vulnerability of most bases to this sort of attack. I always knew and dreaded that someone would take advantage of it sooner or later.
I also am amazed at the ignorance (word being used literally and not in a derogatory manner) that the general public has of just what military life is actually like. We certainly are not the Israeli's with a highly militarized society.
And yes, I think that our leaders don't trust us with weapons on base. Never have.

Yes, Yes, Ditto. I saw the same thing in my 23+ years. I have ranted about this before, to no avail of course.

XtremeDuty.45 wrote:

I wish that this idiot will live out his days in Fort Leavenworth as a fool instead of leaving this world a martyr.

Ft. Leavenworth may be too good for this guy and his kind. There are prisons in California and New York where he could live out the rest of his life. Oh, let's not forget that nice facility on the banks of the Mississippi in Louisiana either.

Oldgringo wrote:Thoughts and Qustions:

1. Firearms are not allowed, among other places, where there are federal government employees; e.g., National Parks, Post Offices, Social Security Offices, Courthouses, Fed Office Buildings, Airports, Military Bases and Posts, etc., etc, ad nauseum. That is a pity.

2. Have the handguns used by the shooter been identified? A Beretta 92FS (M96?) will hold 16 cartridges EACH.

3. Why was this guy allowed to stay in the military and how many others like him are there presently serving in the different branches?

4. Not all Feds want to hide from acknowledging the fact that there are enemies within. Unfortunately, they are not embedded within the current administration; the leader of which also has, albeit adopted, a muslim name.

With respect, Oldgringo, it is my understanding that the shooter was not "allowed" to stay in the military, but rather that the Army refused to permit him to leave the service after he so requested. Quite different. I suspect that somewhere someone is sweating out his name going public.

Best,

Jim

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Here is some information on some of the victims. Everyone knows the shooter's name, but I think we should all pay attention to the individual victims as well.

So, the latest is that the shooting only lasted about 3 minutes? The last report I heard this morning was that it lasted for almost 30 minutes.