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Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:27 pm
by sugar land dave
Both sides pick at the scab. The country needs healing, not bleeding.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:47 pm
by jimlongley
jimlongley wrote:Not that I am really interested, and I haven't seen the supposed document, but a few years back, before bambam was elected, and just to prove I could do it relatively easily with home equipment, I modified my DD214 to show a different name and added a Bronze Star to awards and decorations. Didn't change any of the duty stations or stuff, so anyone looking at it would have to wonder just how the Bronze Star was earned, but it was just an exercise in showing that such things can be done with relative ease, and I long since discarded the file. I picked the DD214 because it was an easily obtainable official document that gets used for various purposes long after military service.
The only thing that would have been missing in order to print it and make it look genuine would have been the right paper, but it would obviously have been produced on a modern printer, so producing only a "copy" would have been necessary. As someone else pointed out to me on that now defunct Compuserve forum, it would have probably been easier to "forge" such a thing by obtaining a blank 214 and using old typewriters, with friends providing the signatures, than the amount of time I spent tweaking the text and such.
This was back around the time that some people got caught making counterfeit money using "modern" printers, copiers, and scanners.
All of the above notwithstanding, he's still a Chicago politician, and he lied to his constituents, which is what Chicago politicians do, and no amount of paper fiddling can change that fact.
I reiterate.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:54 pm
by VMI77
loadedliberal wrote:sugar land dave wrote:loadedliberal wrote:THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD NOT AND HAS NOT BEEN AND ISSUE FOR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT I DO NOT REMEMBER PEOPLE DEMANDING GEORGE BUSH RELESE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE I DID NOT "PLAY THE RACE CARD" I SIMPLY STATED THAT IF THIS IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH THE PRESIDENT IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ITS EITHER RACE OR IDIOCY TAKE YOUR PICK.
Instead of shouting, pick up the Constitution. It really is quite a good read.
Don't insult me by suggesting that I have not read The Constitution. It should have never been an issue this long. With the Certificate of Live Birth that was released in '08 along with the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper that at the time was only done by the department of health. The republican Governor of Hawaii saying he had seen the long form certificate personally, among many many other that "claimed" he was indeed born in the united states. Also the burden of proof lies with the accuser, I saw no evidence anywhere that said he was born elsewhere. And as to the John Mccain not being born on U.S. soil, yes I do remember that being an issue for about 2 days until a court ruling settled the matter. There are still lawsuits regarding Obama eligibility for President.
Why are you so eager to defend a guy that regularly shows his contempt for the Constitution, that has continued just about every policy liberals complained about under Bush, and would revoke your 2nd amendment rights in an instant if he could get away with it ---and who we hear in another thread is preparing to seek more gun control "under the radar?"
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:03 pm
by gigag04
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:04 pm
by WildBill
gigag04 wrote:
Pass me the bag please.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:27 pm
by philip964
Birth issues are not simply an Obama issue, the first was Barry Goldwater in 1964 "he was born in Arizona in 1909. Arizona did not become a state until 1912", then you had McCain who was born on a U. S. military base in Panama.
The real issue will remain has Obama been a good enough president to reelect him. Or will his opponent in 2012 be enough better to change.
Obama is very young. I suspect as he ages, he will become an even better candidate, and I suspect he will be reelected again some time in the future, even if he is not reelected in 2012.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:44 pm
by Oldgringo
WildBill wrote:gigag04 wrote:
Pass me the bag please.
Me too, if you please.
This is getting rather wearisome. The man is the POTUS and to paraphrase Omar, the tentmaker:
" The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
The only thing that will change the fact that the man is the current POTUS is for someone to come forward whom
all Americans can relate to, believe in and elect as POTUS in 2012. So far, I ain't seen that someone, alas.
As said earlier, the GOP seems to have formed a circular firing squad. It's time to quit with the fingerpointing and blame placing and come up with a person and a platform that I can relate to. There, I've said it; what's good for the Oldgringo is good for America.
BTW, it's 96° and the wind is about at Force 8 on the Beaufort Scale in Amarillo -
It should be in the mid-40's when we hit Colorado Springs, tomorrow afternoon.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:18 pm
by The Mad Moderate
I am very dissapointed in President Obama so far, to the extent I could see voting agenst him if a strong primary challenger was on the ballot or god forbid
a truely moderate republican. The reason I feel many of your fears of this mans policies and intents are not justified because I don't think he has the backbone to do any of it.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:04 pm
by apostate
RPB wrote:He probably should have had one of the Treasury Department money engraver artists do it. They could have even drawn real footprints and created a real-looking "birth certificate" instead of the tired old "certificate of live birth"
What's the difference?
I ask because mine says "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" on it.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:40 pm
by PappaGun
Ok.
Off the oil thing and back on topic (for me any way
).
Apparently Chester Arthur had a birth certificate issue.
I think he was a white, Republican no less.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drenn ... citizenshi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:24 pm
by OldSchool
loadedliberal wrote:THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD NOT AND HAS NOT BEEN AND ISSUE FOR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT I DO NOT REMEMBER PEOPLE DEMANDING GEORGE BUSH RELESE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE I DID NOT "PLAY THE RACE CARD" I SIMPLY STATED THAT IF THIS IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH THE PRESIDENT IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ITS EITHER RACE OR IDIOCY TAKE YOUR PICK.
Ummmm - no. I think people are simply insisting that the employee (the President of the US, who is hired by the electorate) provide his/her credentials before being officially given the job. Every time I apply for a job, I
must provide all requested materials (proof of citizenship, proof of education, proof of qualifications for the job, etc.). Saying that "it's not fair" is missing the entire point of qualifying for any position.
In particular, that he
will not provide the required documentation is a sign of
total disrespect for the laws of this country, as if he were somehow above all that. It does not matter anymore, since he was instated without his qualifications being ensured (sorta like getting into college without your SAT score ever being looked at). However, this lack of respect for the law (as if it did not apply to him, and is an insult)
stinks to high heaven.
Can anyone here get away with doing something like this?
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:37 pm
by The Mad Moderate
OldSchool wrote:loadedliberal wrote:THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD NOT AND HAS NOT BEEN AND ISSUE FOR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT I DO NOT REMEMBER PEOPLE DEMANDING GEORGE BUSH RELESE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE I DID NOT "PLAY THE RACE CARD" I SIMPLY STATED THAT IF THIS IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH THE PRESIDENT IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ITS EITHER RACE OR IDIOCY TAKE YOUR PICK.
Ummmm - no. I think people are simply insisting that the employee (the President of the US, who is hired by the electorate) provide his/her credentials before being officially given the job. Every time I apply for a job, I
must provide all requested materials (proof of citizenship, proof of education, proof of qualifications for the job, etc.). Saying that "it's not fair" is missing the entire point of qualifying for any position.
In particular, that he
will not provide the required documentation is a sign of
total disrespect for the laws of this country, as if he were somehow above all that. It does not matter anymore, since he was instated without his qualifications being ensured (sorta like getting into college without your SAT score ever being looked at). However, this lack of respect for the law (as if it did not apply to him, and is an insult)
stinks to high heaven.
Can anyone here get away with doing something like this?
The "Certificate of live birth" he released in 2008 is enough to get a passport, what more proof did you need, and as to his educational records there is not law or amendment that says a President needs to be smart. I think we have proved that with our past few Presidents.
Re: the long lost birth certificate
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:20 pm
by OldSchool
loadedliberal wrote:OldSchool wrote:loadedliberal wrote:THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD NOT AND HAS NOT BEEN AND ISSUE FOR ANY OTHER PRESIDENT I DO NOT REMEMBER PEOPLE DEMANDING GEORGE BUSH RELESE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE I DID NOT "PLAY THE RACE CARD" I SIMPLY STATED THAT IF THIS IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH THE PRESIDENT IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE ITS EITHER RACE OR IDIOCY TAKE YOUR PICK.
Ummmm - no. I think people are simply insisting that the employee (the President of the US, who is hired by the electorate) provide his/her credentials before being officially given the job. Every time I apply for a job, I
must provide all requested materials (proof of citizenship, proof of education, proof of qualifications for the job, etc.). Saying that "it's not fair" is missing the entire point of qualifying for any position.
In particular, that he
will not provide the required documentation is a sign of
total disrespect for the laws of this country, as if he were somehow above all that. It does not matter anymore, since he was instated without his qualifications being ensured (sorta like getting into college without your SAT score ever being looked at). However, this lack of respect for the law (as if it did not apply to him, and is an insult)
stinks to high heaven.
Can anyone here get away with doing something like this?
The "Certificate of live birth" he released in 2008 is enough to get a passport, what more proof did you need, and as to his educational records there is not law or amendment that says a President needs to be smart. I think we have proved that with our past few Presidents.
I repeat and rephrase the question: Could anyone here hold a job showing the disrespect for the hiring authority that he has? Just as I have in the past, were I in his position, I would have gladly offered any proof required that I was qualified for the job. Contrary to your previous post, it is not racist (I have proven my lack of blame in that respect throughout my life, so please don't insult me with that again), but a frustration with the demonstrated arrogance of someone who we must be able to trust with the (written) duty to protect the very existence of our society.