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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Things aren't always as dead as they may appear.

So there's still a chance that they'll slip one in that bans 30.06 signs from hospitals?

terryg wrote:This is truly great to hear.

I don't like the political process - underhanded deals - sneaking this amendment in here and another one there - blocking bills in committee because you know they would pass on the floor - etc and so on.

But to think that campus carry might have a chance to pass WITHOUT the private exemption?!?!?!? As an employee of private institution, I wanted campus carry to pass but had no real hope that it could actually impact me. It is truly unbelievable.

I understand why SB5 as an amendment paved the way for SB354 as an amendment. But can someone explain to me why the private opt out had to be struck? I like it ... but I don't understand it.

When SB 354 was offered as an amendment to SB 5, in order for it to be germane to SB 5, it had to apply to public institutions only (because that's what SB 5 applied to.) The same was true when it was offered as an amendment to SB 1581. Once SB 5 was offered as an amendment to SB 1581 and passed, SB 354 immediately became germane to the bill, because that parliamentary determination had already been made in the previous battle.

I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)

baldeagle wrote:I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)

Yes, I may have mis-understood. But that is what others are saying happened earlier in this thread:

RPB wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:Does this mean there was no private school opt-out?

I'm just catching up for today. IIRC, to make it germane to Zaff's bill, he couldn't have the private school opt-out. I'm wondering if that carried over.

I think that's correct, Zaffrini FORCED Wentworth to remove private school opt out so it would be broad enough to be germane.
Then she opened the door for him.

I could be wrong ... I was once.
Right now all I can think is call Representative; call calendars
My brain hurts from doing this too much lately
Probably that rattle I been hearing
I missed watching Chuck for the first time ever (except when Obama pre-empted it to say whatever he said and I was forced to watch another channel)

OldSchool wrote:Great news to hear on the tarmac in LA!!! (Is that irony, or what?)

Uh, what is "engrossment" (seriously)?

I had to look it up, too. I found a really cool website!

Guide to Texas Legislative Information (GTLI) --> Process for a Bill --> Floor Action

"When the bill is passed in the originating chamber, the bill is engrossed (all corrections and amendments are incorporated into it), and an exact and accurate copy of the engrossed bill is prepared and sent to the opposite chamber for consideration."

The conversation at our house tonight about Campus Carry passing the Senate brought to mind this clip:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=D9tAKLTktY0[/youtube]

Hoi Polloi wrote:The conversation at our house tonight about Campus Carry passing the Senate brought to mind this clip:

I love the Princess Bride!!!!!!

(but the clip can't be embedded ...)

terryg wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:The conversation at our house tonight about Campus Carry passing the Senate brought to mind this clip:

I love the Princess Bride!!!!!!

(but the clip can't be embedded ...)

Argh! I could only find one other copy of that clip online and that one apparently can't be embedded, either. Frustrating!

Thanks for sending the links RPB and Jasonw560. It gets hard to keep up with the titles to some of these. Great news for guys like me going back to school at public colleges! I love Texas. I always say, Georgia gave me the love, Texas gave me the right!
Can't wait to see what happens next. BIg Win!

Anytime. Always happy to help someone learn.

baldeagle wrote:

terryg wrote:This is truly great to hear.

I don't like the political process - underhanded deals - sneaking this amendment in here and another one there - blocking bills in committee because you know they would pass on the floor - etc and so on.

But to think that campus carry might have a chance to pass WITHOUT the private exemption?!?!?!? As an employee of private institution, I wanted campus carry to pass but had no real hope that it could actually impact me. It is truly unbelievable.

I understand why SB5 as an amendment paved the way for SB354 as an amendment. But can someone explain to me why the private opt out had to be struck? I like it ... but I don't understand it.

When SB 354 was offered as an amendment to SB 5, in order for it to be germane to SB 5, it had to apply to public institutions only (because that's what SB 5 applied to.) The same was true when it was offered as an amendment to SB 1581. Once SB 5 was offered as an amendment to SB 1581 and passed, SB 354 immediately became germane to the bill, because that parliamentary determination had already been made in the previous battle.

I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)

Wentworth's amendment to SB1581 is not available online yet, but the original amendment from SB5 is here. The amendment makes no distinction between public or private institutions. In fact, it does not use the terms "public institution" or "private institution" at all. The result is that it decriminalizes carrying on all institutions of higher education, and prevents the same institutions from adopting any policies against carrying. So, assuming that today's amendment is the same as the one previously attached to SB5, Terryg is correct that it applies equally to both public and private campuses.

TrueFlog wrote:

baldeagle wrote:

terryg wrote:This is truly great to hear.

I don't like the political process - underhanded deals - sneaking this amendment in here and another one there - blocking bills in committee because you know they would pass on the floor - etc and so on.

But to think that campus carry might have a chance to pass WITHOUT the private exemption?!?!?!? As an employee of private institution, I wanted campus carry to pass but had no real hope that it could actually impact me. It is truly unbelievable.

I understand why SB5 as an amendment paved the way for SB354 as an amendment. But can someone explain to me why the private opt out had to be struck? I like it ... but I don't understand it.

When SB 354 was offered as an amendment to SB 5, in order for it to be germane to SB 5, it had to apply to public institutions only (because that's what SB 5 applied to.) The same was true when it was offered as an amendment to SB 1581. Once SB 5 was offered as an amendment to SB 1581 and passed, SB 354 immediately became germane to the bill, because that parliamentary determination had already been made in the previous battle.

I think you have misunderstood what's in the bill. Private universities will still be able to ban guns on their campuses. SB 354, as amended and passed as an amendment to SB 1581, only applies to public institutions. So I'm afraid you may have been left out in the cold unless the House amends it include private institutions (which could happen, but I don't know all the dynamics of that.)

Wentworth's amendment to SB1581 is not available online yet, but the original amendment from SB5 is here. The amendment makes no distinction between public or private institutions. In fact, it does not use the terms "public institution" or "private institution" at all. The result is that it decriminalizes carrying on all institutions of higher education, and prevents the same institutions from adopting any policies against carrying. So, assuming that today's amendment is the same as the one previously attached to SB5, Terryg is correct that it applies equally to both public and private campuses.

In order for Wentworth's amendment to be germane to SB 5, he had to remove the language that included private colleges in campus carry legislation. I doubt that he was able to add them back in to his amendment to SB 1581, but we'll know tomorrow when the bill is posted with its amendments.

Yeah I THOUGHT it did that, but I only slept from 3:15 until 3:45 a.m. last night so ... for a minute I thought I was mistaken ... but I was wrong.

The result is that it decriminalizes carrying on all institutions of higher education, and prevents the same institutions from adopting any policies against carrying.

Zaffrini insisted on that .... else it wouldn't be "Germane"

Read Education Code 61.003.

(8) "Institution of higher education" means any public technical institute, public junior college, public senior college or university, medical or dental unit, public state college, or other agency of higher education as defined in this section.

(6) "Other agency of higher education" means The University of Texas System, System Administration; Texas Western University Museum; Texas A & M University System, Administrative and General Offices; Texas Agricultural Experiment Station; Texas Agricultural Extension Service; Rodent and Predatory Animal Control Service (a part of the Texas Agricultural Extension Service); Texas Engineering Experiment Station (including the Texas Transportation Institute); Texas Engineering Extension Service; Texas Forest Service; Texas Tech University Museum; Texas State University System, System Administration; Sam Houston Memorial Museum; Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum; Cotton Research Committee of Texas; Water Resources Institute of Texas; Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory; and any other unit, division, institution, or agency which shall be so designated by statute or which may be established to operate as a component part of any public senior college or university, or which may be so classified as provided in this chapter.

hush now before we accidentally prove it isn't germane

Education Code 61.003. definitions needs revision? ..... ok I'll put it on the TO-DO list if they don;t run out of time.