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03Lightningrocks wrote:Heck... Bill O. Isn't sounding very fair and balanced about it all either. They are about to try and use this to take our self defense rights down a notch. I sure hope and pray the rest of the country see's it for what it is... An isolated situation that is not reflective of the majority of gun owners.

Foxnews is better than the rest of the MSM. But when they said the airport strip search scanners and patting down grannies was ok by them I started looking elsewhere for a better perspective. Hey have been better, but even their coverage has been less than stellar.

Heck mamabear, lately it is hard to get unbiased news from many of the main organizations. I was listening to BBC on my satellite radio a few weeks back and was stunned that all they did was tell the story and move on. I don't know if they are always unbiased, but it sure would have been hard during the time I listened to them finding an opinion interjection.

mamabearCali wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Heck... Bill O. Isn't sounding very fair and balanced about it all either. They are about to try and use this to take our self defense rights down a notch. I sure hope and pray the rest of the country see's it for what it is... An isolated situation that is not reflective of the majority of gun owners.

Foxnews is better than the rest of the MSM. But when they said the airport strip search scanners and patting down grannies was ok by them I started looking elsewhere for a better perspective. Hey have been better, but even their coverage has been less than stellar.

...have ya found that "better perspective" yet??? I've noticed a BIG drop in their fairness and balance in the last year...disappointing...ratings rule, though...

Fox really took a turn for the worse in last year or so...wonder what happened there.

Hoosier Daddy wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:In VA you can stop the threat if it is a lethal threat on your life (or the lives of others) if you go beyond that count on spending a few years considering your action in a not so pleasant place.

That sums it up. And 17 is old enough to be tried as an adult in Texas.

The MSM keeps calling him a teen or sometimes a boy but you're right, he would be an adult in Texas law. He's also in the prime age group for perpetrators of violent crime.

speedsix wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Heck... Bill O. Isn't sounding very fair and balanced about it all either. They are about to try and use this to take our self defense rights down a notch. I sure hope and pray the rest of the country see's it for what it is... An isolated situation that is not reflective of the majority of gun owners.

Foxnews is better than the rest of the MSM. But when they said the airport strip search scanners and patting down grannies was ok by them I started looking elsewhere for a better perspective. Hey have been better, but even their coverage has been less than stellar.

...have ya found that "better perspective" yet??? I've noticed a BIG drop in their fairness and balance in the last year...disappointing...ratings rule, though...

Kind of. I have to look at several media sources, drudge, BBC, fox news, breibart, the blaze....several others. Once you put it all together usually one can get a good picture of what is going on.

...I've seen a few Blaze articles...thought that Breibart was the guy who just died? I'll poke through some of those...thanks...

The Beeb is a lot more objective about US and international news than any US-based TV network I found. They're not perfect but they're orders of magnitude better than CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews.

A-R wrote:

Wienerdogtroy wrote: No thats the allegation of the current defendant. Actual facts are highly in doubt.

There is no "current defendant" - one man is dead, the other man is not charged with any crime. Thus, no defendant. Labeling Zimmerman a "defandant" shows a bias unto itself.

Nope. If he's charged he will be the defendant. I'm not going to say Good Guy or Bad guy here, because we don't have the facts.

Partial Police Report:
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report seems to back his statement.

Its a dark, quiet residential area, someone gets out of a car and starts following you. I'm on high alert. Something bad may just happen. Once the adrenline starts flowing, I'm provoked.

mamabearCali wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Heck... Bill O. Isn't sounding very fair and balanced about it all either. They are about to try and use this to take our self defense rights down a notch. I sure hope and pray the rest of the country see's it for what it is... An isolated situation that is not reflective of the majority of gun owners.

Foxnews is better than the rest of the MSM. But when they said the airport strip search scanners and patting down grannies was ok by them I started looking elsewhere for a better perspective. Hey have been better, but even their coverage has been less than stellar.

No offense but Fox has been one of the WORST at twisting the truth... Go watch a documentary called OutFoxed.

Some of the places I get news from is, RussiaToday aka RT. Al Jazeera, The Young Turks, Random internet sources, and a few others.

2firfun50 wrote:Its a dark, quiet residential area, someone gets out of a car and starts following you. I'm on high alert. Something bad may just happen. Once the adrenline starts flowing, I'm provoked.

A gated community that TM did not reside in, but was visiting. GZ would not recognize him as a resident there and would then go to condition orange. The fact that there was an unknown (unfamiliar) person wandering in GZ's neighborhood, at night while it was raining without apparent direction or purpose is what made him suspicious, not his race or his clothes. I would hope that adrenaline flow does not automatically equate to violent action.

When I think on this, especially in light of how it would go down in Texas, some big questions arise.

• Why with all of the claims for GZ's arrest and the unrest created by activists and militant groups offering a bounty for him; does the media not report the fact that Zimmerman was cuffed, stuffed and taken in? Why not state the fact that he WAS arrested? Doesn't this make the media outlets culpable if violence ensues?
• Why, if Martin was indeed a peaceful and upright citizen, did the family and media purposefully withhold current and accurate images of Travon Martin?
• Why withhold the police reports that document injuries sustained by GZ and instead harp on statements that none were noticed by those with no contextual contact?
• Why, if martin was a racist, did he take time to tutor and mentor several children who happened to be black? If he was "after" Travon why is there a single shot to the chest at contact distance instead of several from a distance?
• Why did GZ remain at the scene until SPD arrived if he didn't feel absolutely justified?

There is so much more that just blows this whole media frenzy out of the water, but in the final analysis I take but one thing away. If I, in Texas have to shoot to defend myself or a loved one, there had better not be any demographic disparity because my life will be ruined by yellow journalism and activists. But I guess that is what they want...a law abiding citizen to be unable to defend themselves.

Dragonfighter wrote: But I guess that is what they want...a law abiding citizen to be unable to defend themselves.

That is exactly what 'they' want.
They want an unarmed and uninformed populous that follow along believing the drivel they're spouting is the 'God's honest truth' and you should never question authority. While I agree that sheep are stupid (that's the way we are seen)...not all of us are sheep and they see any attempt to arm ourselves with knowledge or defend ourselves with a gun, a book or facts as a 'tyrannical uprising' and 'mob mentality' (in their eyes) and should be subdued at all costs.

It makes me embarrassed a lot lately when certain leadership is in the limelight...but I will always be proud to be an American and stand in defense of their right to be stupid.