Misfit Child wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:
Stretching truth and telling lies is the libtard way. Let's not go there.
I have carried in a multitude of states. Out of respect for the ladies present I will simply say, "Physician, heal thyself."
You plainly skipped to the bottom of my post. Let me backtrack for you:
The Annoyed Man wrote:........I want Constitutional carry. I want it just as bad as anybody does. But I'm not going to stretch the truth to try and win arguments. I'm not calling you guys liars. Really, I'm not.....
Now, I've never said you haven't open carried in a bunch of states. On the other hand, I do absolutely dare you to OC in Henderson County Nevada, an open carry state with state preemption in firearms laws, or Aurora Colorado, in another open carry state with state preemption in firearms laws.
Go ahead. Then, once you've gotten out of jail and surrendered your CHL on account of that shiny new felony conviction of yours, please come back here and tell us how it went for you. Do you see the point I'm making? The one thing that OC advocates always fail to mention.....and in my experience, they get their feathers up whenever it gets brought up.....is that "the majority of states have OC" is not 100% true for those states which, at least on the books, have open carry. My point is that it doesn't
matter if they have OC,
you and
I cannot
count on even enforcement of the law in those states. I've just listed two of them. Twice. I'll bet you that if I were to take the time, I could show more. If I can name TWO without even trying, I've already made my case. That line IS oversold. In
actual application, it isn't reliably true. I was careful to state that we need to not speak as true, those things which we know not to be
reliably true. Absent reliability, you're just playing a game of chance. You shouldn't preach chance as reliable truth. It's not right.
Let's unpack your claim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry ... ted_States. According to that link, 20 states have unlicensed OC. Last I checked, 20 is less than half of 50, so that's not a "majority". In one of those states, Arkansas, the meaning of the law is still up for grabs.... and it is NOT a certain thing. If you tell people that it IS a certain thing, you're practicing informational malpractice. Their legal fees will be on your conscience....if you have a conscience. In two of those states which I've already mentioned, there are counties which flout the state's preemption, and you will be arrested for open carrying in a state with open carry. In the state of Delaware, you can't OC in the state capitol. So there's another state where OC has geographical exceptions.....not just private property exceptions. Michigan, which is listed as a permissive state, still requires a license. And by the way, in many of these states there are large tribal reservations where tribal law preempts state law. So you can't just OC willy nilly on reservations.... which occupy thousands of square miles of land. And speaking of states with Indian reservations, New Mexico permits open carry, but YouTube is overflowing with chuckleheads who have run-ins with NM cops, particularly in Albuquerque and Santa Fe, over the fact that they are open carrying. Connecticut has licensed open carry. Do you think, post Sandy Hook, that they are issuing a lot of licenses lately?
That's a lot of words, so I'll start a new paragraph.... Oregon has OC, but it is illegal in a lot of Oregon's cities. In Pennsylvania, you need a license to OC in any city over 100,000 people, but not anywhere else....... except in your car. You
always need a license to OC in your car in PA. California is an OC state! Really? No, not really. :( Quoting OCDO, "Open carry is generally prohibited except in unincorporated areas where the county has not made open carry illegal, or, pursuant to a CA open carry permit issued and valid only in a county with a population of less than 200,000 persons." Maryland has licensed OC, but rarely ever issues licenses.....so.... no, Maryland doesn't
really have OC. Ohio has OC. Yes it does. But, you can't OC in your vehicle in Ohio unless you
also have an Ohio concealed carry license. Rhode Island has licensed OC, but licenses are rarely issued.... so... like Maryland, Rhode Island doesn't
really have OC. Did you remember to omit Maryland and Rhode Island from your "majority" of states with OC?
14 states have
licensed open carry. In other words, they are no different than Texas....except the gun is exposed..... in which case there is little practical difference from a
rights perspective. You
still need a license (license =
permission) from the state to exercise your right.
I could go on, but I've already spent more time on this than it is worth to me. I just hoped that by doing so, you'd begin to understand why I made my comments in my previous post. A
much more accurate statement is "most states have some kind of provision for OC, but in a number of those states, those provisions are for all intents and purposes, worthless".
You say you've OC'd in a multitude of states. Good for you. You've been lucky. I hope your luck holds. I really do. I still don't think you should encourage people to believe the canard.......
unless you can prove that it is 100% reliably true. You can't, so you shouldn't. That's my 2ยข.
And I'll repeat.... in My world, Constitutional Carry would be the ultimate goal. It's what I want. I'm just not going to exaggerate certain information to try and convince people.....who might in turn go to jail because of something
I told them.
I don't need healing, thank you very much. Like jrma said, I'm not your enemy. I just think it is important for us to have complete moral clarity in managing the issue.