Re: I have an LTC but was Denied Purchase by FBI
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:38 pm
So has the OP got his gun yet? 

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And hopefully when you do that, you will have the correct address and won't kick down the neighbor's door, shoot their dogs and trash every inch of their house.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.
Not sure if this guy is a troll or not but he is on the ignore list.bblhd672 wrote:TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.
It is... just as it is up to the LTC holder to be able to stop the transaction at that point and go elsewhere.techenigma wrote:I thought it was up to the FFL if they wanted to do run a NICS check on an LTC holder?
Nah, not yet... needing to jump through the slow FBI hoops (last time I'll ever, ever do this).The Wall wrote:So has the OP got his gun yet?
It's not many states, it is actually only a few that require that and they are finding that it isn't the great help in solving crimes they thought it would be.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:Good lord, a whole motmot y'all own boats!!! Hahaha
In many states it is the law that any weapon sold must have had an "example casing" pulled before sale. Connecticut and others do this. Glock does this voluntarily and many others do as well.
The video from the bank will show it was not me or I prove I was at work, at home (I can pull my camera video for proof) or find a million other ways to prove I was not at the bank where the crime was committed. It's not that difficult and I will not need an attorney.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:So you sell your handshake gun to Joe Smoe and he immediately goes and robs a bank (federal and state offense). He then shoots the teller and drops the gun on the floor and walks out.
Yes but they have to prove that you knew he was a felon. If you had no way of knowing how are they going to prove that? Give us some case law (preferably from Texas) where someone was convicted. It's not that I think it has never happened, it's just that I want to read the details of where it has happened.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: You may not know this but even as a private person under federal law if you sell a firearm during a private transfer and that person is a convicted felon then YOU have committed an offense of that person makes up good enough story where 12 jurors and 2 alternates believe his line of crap well enough when he lies and says he told you he was crazy person or had prior convictions for felonies.
Yeah, you can't get a subpoena for a 4473 that a private individual doesn't have a copy of, you get it for the FFL. And the ATF will get trace it for you without a subpoena.twomillenium wrote:Not sure if this guy is a troll or not but he is on the ignore list.bblhd672 wrote:TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.
It is in certain states like Texas, some states have no option.techenigma wrote:I thought it was up to the FFL if they wanted to do run a NICS check on an LTC holder?
You should tone down the accusations, there are many here that do not get receipts and have no mental deficiencies.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:You're right. You don't need a receipt. But if you transfer a firearm anywhere on Planet Earth and you don't get a receipt you're a moron.
Right and if LEO is state or local, the Feds and AUSA will tell them to pound sand, since not even the ATF is going to take a case that they are guaranteed to lose.mrvmax wrote:It's not many states, it is actually only a few that require that and they are finding that it isn't the great help in solving crimes they thought it would be.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:Good lord, a whole motmot y'all own boats!!! Hahaha
In many states it is the law that any weapon sold must have had an "example casing" pulled before sale. Connecticut and others do this. Glock does this voluntarily and many others do as well.
The video from the bank will show it was not me or I prove I was at work, at home (I can pull my camera video for proof) or find a million other ways to prove I was not at the bank where the crime was committed. It's not that difficult and I will not need an attorney.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:So you sell your handshake gun to Joe Smoe and he immediately goes and robs a bank (federal and state offense). He then shoots the teller and drops the gun on the floor and walks out.
Yes but they have to prove that you knew he was a felon. If you had no way of knowing how are they going to prove that? Give us some case law (preferably from Texas) where someone was convicted. It's not that I think it has never happened, it's just that I want to read the details of where it has happened.TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: You may not know this but even as a private person under federal law if you sell a firearm during a private transfer and that person is a convicted felon then YOU have committed an offense of that person makes up good enough story where 12 jurors and 2 alternates believe his line of crap well enough when he lies and says he told you he was crazy person or had prior convictions for felonies.
Son of a...