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So has the OP got his gun yet?

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.

And hopefully when you do that, you will have the correct address and won't kick down the neighbor's door, shoot their dogs and trash every inch of their house.

Those guys that go to the wrong home are brain dead. Lol. They just dumb. And so is their supervisor.

Only shot one dog whole time an officer. And he need shooting. Was hit by car and out out of his misery.

bblhd672 wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.

Not sure if this guy is a troll or not but he is on the ignore list.

I thought it was up to the FFL if they wanted to do run a NICS check on an LTC holder?

techenigma wrote:I thought it was up to the FFL if they wanted to do run a NICS check on an LTC holder?

It is... just as it is up to the LTC holder to be able to stop the transaction at that point and go elsewhere.

The rub here is that the OP did not have a LTC in hand... only an approved status on the web page, so the FFL was correct in running the check.

The Wall wrote:So has the OP got his gun yet?

Nah, not yet... needing to jump through the slow FBI hoops (last time I'll ever, ever do this).

I've recognized that by being a little more patient, I would have avoided all this drama.

I'll update on here as soon as this firearm is received.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:Good lord, a whole motmot y'all own boats!!! Hahaha
In many states it is the law that any weapon sold must have had an "example casing" pulled before sale. Connecticut and others do this. Glock does this voluntarily and many others do as well.

It's not many states, it is actually only a few that require that and they are finding that it isn't the great help in solving crimes they thought it would be.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:So you sell your handshake gun to Joe Smoe and he immediately goes and robs a bank (federal and state offense). He then shoots the teller and drops the gun on the floor and walks out.

The video from the bank will show it was not me or I prove I was at work, at home (I can pull my camera video for proof) or find a million other ways to prove I was not at the bank where the crime was committed. It's not that difficult and I will not need an attorney.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: You may not know this but even as a private person under federal law if you sell a firearm during a private transfer and that person is a convicted felon then YOU have committed an offense of that person makes up good enough story where 12 jurors and 2 alternates believe his line of crap well enough when he lies and says he told you he was crazy person or had prior convictions for felonies.

Yes but they have to prove that you knew he was a felon. If you had no way of knowing how are they going to prove that? Give us some case law (preferably from Texas) where someone was convicted. It's not that I think it has never happened, it's just that I want to read the details of where it has happened.

twomillenium wrote:

bblhd672 wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: I the get subpoena for the 4474 and explain to your boss that I am coming to your car, place of business,
Wife's car, children's car, or wherever else evidence of that weapon may have been.

Not sure if this guy is a troll or not but he is on the ignore list.

Yeah, you can't get a subpoena for a 4473 that a private individual doesn't have a copy of, you get it for the FFL. And the ATF will get trace it for you without a subpoena.

Then you go to the address on it if it wasn't a ship's Fleet Post Office address or an apartment in another state, that you lived in 20 years ago. Then when you track down my current address and hassle me at home, I'll kick you out, and then you can go to see if you can get a magistrate or judge to sign a warrant for a paper that you know I don't have, and you can show up at my work, (in Maryland) where security will kick you out, and you can follow me up to Oklahoma in my car when I go to an Indian Reservation to gamble and drink and where the Tribal police will take away a Texas LEO gun just for giggles. :biggrinjester

techenigma wrote:I thought it was up to the FFL if they wanted to do run a NICS check on an LTC holder?

It is in certain states like Texas, some states have no option.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:You're right. You don't need a receipt. But if you transfer a firearm anywhere on Planet Earth and you don't get a receipt you're a moron.

You should tone down the accusations, there are many here that do not get receipts and have no mental deficiencies.

mrvmax wrote:

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:Good lord, a whole motmot y'all own boats!!! Hahaha
In many states it is the law that any weapon sold must have had an "example casing" pulled before sale. Connecticut and others do this. Glock does this voluntarily and many others do as well.

It's not many states, it is actually only a few that require that and they are finding that it isn't the great help in solving crimes they thought it would be.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote:So you sell your handshake gun to Joe Smoe and he immediately goes and robs a bank (federal and state offense). He then shoots the teller and drops the gun on the floor and walks out.

The video from the bank will show it was not me or I prove I was at work, at home (I can pull my camera video for proof) or find a million other ways to prove I was not at the bank where the crime was committed. It's not that difficult and I will not need an attorney.

TXPeaceOfficerDave wrote: You may not know this but even as a private person under federal law if you sell a firearm during a private transfer and that person is a convicted felon then YOU have committed an offense of that person makes up good enough story where 12 jurors and 2 alternates believe his line of crap well enough when he lies and says he told you he was crazy person or had prior convictions for felonies.

Yes but they have to prove that you knew he was a felon. If you had no way of knowing how are they going to prove that? Give us some case law (preferably from Texas) where someone was convicted. It's not that I think it has never happened, it's just that I want to read the details of where it has happened.

Right and if LEO is state or local, the Feds and AUSA will tell them to pound sand, since not even the ATF is going to take a case that they are guaranteed to lose.

Just got the letter from the FBI telling me why they denied my purchase...

"This letter is in response to your inquiry concerning your NICS transaction identified above. A search resulting in a "deny" indicates the subject of the background check matches a prohibiting record containing a similar name and descriptive feature(s). The reason for denial is under the following prohibition:

[*]Title 18, United States Code, Section 922(g)(2): A person who is a fugitive from justice.

If you have not supplied this information and you wish to challenge the accuracy of the denial, you may submit certified court documents pertaining to the prohibiting record, or you may submit a set of your rolled fingerprints. A downloadable fingerprint card is available at <www.fbi.gov/nics-appeals> and may be submitted to the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division, National Instant Criminal Background Check System Section, Appeal Services Team, Post Office Box 4278, Clarksburg, West Virginia 26302-4278. The documents submitted will not be returned.

Please be sure to include your NTN with your fingerprint card and documentation. Failure to do so will only delay your request.

NICS Section
CJIS Division"

Pretty sure if I was a fugitive, I wouldn't have passed the LTC checks. So... hoops it is!

Good luck with your appeal.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016012 ... al-appeals

Pawpaw wrote:Good luck with your appeal.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016012 ... al-appeals

Son of a...

Going to go through with it anyway, and I'll post my result here. I can be pretty convincing to bureaucrats, having worked with them for over a decade, so I'll try to get in touch with the specific unit that would be able to have eyes on it. Either way, I'll post my results here.