Interaction with Police
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:55 pm
I've hesitated to post this, given today's environment. I decided to try with the limitation that the discussion centers on this question:
Is an ordinary citizen at greater risk of a violent confrontation with police now that say 5 years ago?
The genesis of the question was a discussion, sometimes heated, with 9 year police veteran from one of local communities. I don't remember exactly how the subject of interactions came up but I happened to mention that I keep a "man bag" (a soft sided computer case that is my catchall for a first aid kit, a tactical flashlight, a Leatherman, a 8x11 tablet, pencils etc. Included in one of the inner pouches is my BUG. What launched the heat into the discussion was my mentioning that my wallet was also in that bag. Upon learning that, he told me that I was just asking to get shot.
As context, I haven't had a moving violation since 1979, one of 3 in my entire 50+ year driving career. I've probably driven close to 1M miles in most of the Continental US, Hawaii and several European countries. I don't believe myself to be a target for a traffic stop anytime soon but it could happen. I don't plan to do anything different with my bag but the conversation has puzzled me.
His take was that I was just asking for trouble and need to modify my practices. He lectured me on how to handle a traffic stop without asking me what I would do. I've rehearsed that 100s of times - hands on the wheel, tell the officer that I want to move only with his instructions. I have viewed my reaching for my wallet before telling him that I have an LTC and am carrying - because of the BUG - to be a mistake. My discussion partner immediately ratcheted up the conversation by simulating barking at me to provide my TX DL # (which I know by heart thanks to frequently checking my then CHL issue status online.) I responded.
Here's my take. Officers are less likely to escalate a situation, even with an old white guy. My discussion partner seemed to think that more officers are on edge and related a very recent interaction that he had had at a traffic stop when he showed the officer his DL and LTC. He and worked our way through some of the high profile situations - Waller, Jefferson, Castile, Brooks and essentially ended up agreeing to disagree. He said that he left police work because he could tell that support for the profession was waning.
I will say directly that his manner was exactly what I hope I never have to meet in an officer. I have hearing loss and quickly lose consonants when words are barked at me. He was very prone to lecture me and I bristle at that approach. I'm not stupid enough to deliberately put myself in danger while interacting with an officer who pulled me over but I would be in the PD post hast filling out a complaint if I was treated the way he indicated that he would.
So please, please, please let's not turn this into an attack on police. I'm a great supporter. At the same time, I'm looking for other perspectives. Jerry Waller's situation was too close to home for me. i never bought the story line. I don't want to be Waller 2.0.
Is an ordinary citizen at greater risk of a violent confrontation with police now that say 5 years ago?
The genesis of the question was a discussion, sometimes heated, with 9 year police veteran from one of local communities. I don't remember exactly how the subject of interactions came up but I happened to mention that I keep a "man bag" (a soft sided computer case that is my catchall for a first aid kit, a tactical flashlight, a Leatherman, a 8x11 tablet, pencils etc. Included in one of the inner pouches is my BUG. What launched the heat into the discussion was my mentioning that my wallet was also in that bag. Upon learning that, he told me that I was just asking to get shot.
As context, I haven't had a moving violation since 1979, one of 3 in my entire 50+ year driving career. I've probably driven close to 1M miles in most of the Continental US, Hawaii and several European countries. I don't believe myself to be a target for a traffic stop anytime soon but it could happen. I don't plan to do anything different with my bag but the conversation has puzzled me.
His take was that I was just asking for trouble and need to modify my practices. He lectured me on how to handle a traffic stop without asking me what I would do. I've rehearsed that 100s of times - hands on the wheel, tell the officer that I want to move only with his instructions. I have viewed my reaching for my wallet before telling him that I have an LTC and am carrying - because of the BUG - to be a mistake. My discussion partner immediately ratcheted up the conversation by simulating barking at me to provide my TX DL # (which I know by heart thanks to frequently checking my then CHL issue status online.) I responded.
Here's my take. Officers are less likely to escalate a situation, even with an old white guy. My discussion partner seemed to think that more officers are on edge and related a very recent interaction that he had had at a traffic stop when he showed the officer his DL and LTC. He and worked our way through some of the high profile situations - Waller, Jefferson, Castile, Brooks and essentially ended up agreeing to disagree. He said that he left police work because he could tell that support for the profession was waning.
I will say directly that his manner was exactly what I hope I never have to meet in an officer. I have hearing loss and quickly lose consonants when words are barked at me. He was very prone to lecture me and I bristle at that approach. I'm not stupid enough to deliberately put myself in danger while interacting with an officer who pulled me over but I would be in the PD post hast filling out a complaint if I was treated the way he indicated that he would.
So please, please, please let's not turn this into an attack on police. I'm a great supporter. At the same time, I'm looking for other perspectives. Jerry Waller's situation was too close to home for me. i never bought the story line. I don't want to be Waller 2.0.