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I understand the law, but choose not to pass a gun buster or improperly posted “no guns� sign, unless the sign specifically welcomes CHL’s. It’s there right to put the sign up, my right to shop elsewhere.

So I headed over to a gun shop I had never visited, “no loaded weapons, no exceptions� . . . I was surprised to see this at a gun store… anyone else seen it?

I have seen the Whooa,,,is it loaded?, not the same

That is not uncommon at gun shops, they don't want you to walk in with a loaded gun in your hands...I saw that once and asked the owner, he said it wasn't for CHL, since he was in the business of selling guns to CHL holders...

I've often thought about this. There is no sign (I think) at Red's South Austin, but when I've talked to Red before, I know he is adamant about ALL guns coming in unloaded and with slides/bolts/actions/whatever in an open and locked position. I've never asked him specifically about whether he minds CHLs carrying into his range/store, but I know he has said in the past that his employees are not allowed to carry.

Bullet trap INC in Plano has similar signage up, but they all tell you inside that it does NOT apply to legal CHLers.

Snake Doctor wrote:I've often thought about this. There is no sign (I think) at Red's South Austin, but when I've talked to Red before, I know he is adamant about ALL guns coming in unloaded and with slides/bolts/actions/whatever in an open and locked position. I've never asked him specifically about whether he minds CHLs carrying into his range/store, but I know he has said in the past that his employees are not allowed to carry.

I was at Red's in South Austin last month. No sign. When I went to the line, I calmly drew my carry piece, fired off 100 rounds of practice at varying ranges, reloaded, reholstered, and left. No one said a word to me about it.

kingalls wrote:That is not uncommon at gun shops, they don't want you to walk in with a loaded gun in your hands...I saw that once and asked the owner, he said it wasn't for CHL, since he was in the business of selling guns to CHL holders...

that would make sense. A CHL holder would still have his weapon concealed and secured.

but last time I went to the range, some guys up there weren't very gun etiquette. (shooting "gangsta" style at the range :rolleyes: ) I wouldnt want them coming in there with a loaded gun and accidently discharging it because they dont know how to secure a weapon properly.

I assume anyone posting a "no guns" sign is specifically refering to no unlicensed carry of firearms, which I happily comply with. At a gun store I imagine they don't want people bringing in loaded weapons to be serviced or whatever, or pulling out their concealed weapon for some reason. In particular, if a gun store doesn't want you to carry concealed I would think they would be knowlegeable enough to post a 30.06. I have never seen one at a gun store, but I have seen signs specifically stating that anyone carrying under a CHL must keep their gun concealed at all times.

txmatt wrote:I assume anyone posting a "no guns" sign is specifically refering to no unlicensed carry of firearms, which I happily comply with. At a gun store I imagine they don't want people bringing in loaded weapons to be serviced or whatever, or pulling out their concealed weapon for some reason. In particular, if a gun store doesn't want you to carry concealed I would think they would be knowlegeable enough to post a 30.06.

Very common. My range says "all firearms must be unloaded and in a case before entering the store". The reasons are several:

* Every person behind the counter is armed and holds a CHL. Thus even if nobody ELSE is allowed to draw and fire in the store you still have at least triple the concentration of people who can and will draw and fire for defensive purposes than any other place in the state.
* In a real-life shooting situation, your situational awareness is somewhere around your ankles. Any aid to situational awareness is preferable, and prohibiting guests from owning guns immediately makes it very simple: anyone holding a gun who is not wearing a store shirt is a BG.
* People can be stupid. A gun in its case has never UDed, unloaded or not. UD in a store full of armed clerks and you are in a world of pain even if nobody gets hurt by the UD.
* People can be careless. The guns in the store cases belong to the store. Start throwing guest-owned guns into the mix and particular attention must then be paid to the diffference, to avoid undesireable consequences like the store thinking a guest-owned weapon belongs to the store, a guest and the store mutually confusing the store's weapon with an identical guest weapon, and worst of all, a loaded weapon being mixed in with unloaded weapons.
* Even gun owners can get uncomfortable. If the store allows handguns out in the open not under the control of the staffers, you create a hostile environment for sport shooters such as the .22 plinker who purely punches paper or the deer hunter sighting in for the season, who don't carry handguns, much less openly, and could be nervous about the casual handling of guns in public. Ensuring guns are only handled under direct supervision of a staff member eases those fears and creates a friendly shopping and shooting environment for all guests.

Liko81 wrote:Very common. My range says "all firearms must be unloaded and in a case before entering the store". The reasons are several:

* Every person behind the counter is armed and holds a CHL. Thus even if nobody ELSE is allowed to draw and fire in the store you still have at least triple the concentration of people who can and will draw and fire for defensive purposes than any other place in the state.
* In a real-life shooting situation, your situational awareness is somewhere around your ankles. Any aid to situational awareness is preferable, and prohibiting guests from owning guns immediately makes it very simple: anyone holding a gun who is not wearing a store shirt is a BG.
* People can be stupid. A gun in its case has never UDed, unloaded or not. UD in a store full of armed clerks and you are in a world of pain even if nobody gets hurt by the UD.
* People can be careless. The guns in the store cases belong to the store. Start throwing guest-owned guns into the mix and particular attention must then be paid to the diffference, to avoid undesireable consequences like the store thinking a guest-owned weapon belongs to the store, a guest and the store mutually confusing the store's weapon with an identical guest weapon, and worst of all, a loaded weapon being mixed in with unloaded weapons.
* Even gun owners can get uncomfortable. If the store allows handguns out in the open not under the control of the staffers, you create a hostile environment for sport shooters such as the .22 plinker who purely punches paper or the deer hunter sighting in for the season, who don't carry handguns, much less openly, and could be nervous about the casual handling of guns in public. Ensuring guns are only handled under direct supervision of a staff member eases those fears and creates a friendly shopping and shooting environment for all guests.

Not sure which range you are going to, but not all ranges that have CHL holding, open carrying clerks.

At my range, some don't carry openly and some that do don't have their CHL. The store has the exact sign you state, but it does NOT apply to CHL's. They are very aware of what it does. This sign is for the average Joe Schmoe tht comes in and wants to shoot and bring in your range bag.

If you have your CC weapon on, you don't remove it. If you want to shoot with it, you only draw it once you are on the line, and leave it on the shelf until time to return it to the holster to leave the line.

CJATE wrote:I understand the law, but choose not to pass a gun buster or improperly posted “no guns� sign, unless the sign specifically welcomes CHL’s. It’s there right to put the sign up, my right to shop elsewhere.

So I headed over to a gun shop I had never visited, “no loaded weapons, no exceptions� . . . I was surprised to see this at a gun store… anyone else seen it?

I have seen the Whooa,,,is it loaded?, not the same

Let me say this in defense of range and gun store owners…You really need to try not taking things so personally. And if you’ve seen the “Whoa, is it loaded?� conversation between range staff and customers then you really should understand why many if not most ranges ask customers not to enter the shop with a firearm in their hand and certainly not with a loaded firearm. It’s not about disrespecting or distrusting you…It’s about trying to prevent staff and customers alike from being “accidentally� shot by some idiot handling an “unloaded� gun.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

Snake Doctor wrote:I've often thought about this. There is no sign (I think) at Red's South Austin, but when I've talked to Red before, I know he is adamant about ALL guns coming in unloaded and with slides/bolts/actions/whatever in an open and locked position. I've never asked him specifically about whether he minds CHLs carrying into his range/store, but I know he has said in the past that his employees are not allowed to carry.

I was at Red's in South Austin last month. No sign. When I went to the line, I calmly drew my carry piece, fired off 100 rounds of practice at varying ranges, reloaded, reholstered, and left. No one said a word to me about it.

Red's holds CHL classes, so they most certainly KNOW what the requirements are. When I go, I normally take a couple of guns, shoot, and somewhere along the line I draw my carry piece, shoot a bit, reload and reholster.

I have never gotten so much as a comment about this.

I think gun shops that post NON-PC30.06 compliant signs aren't concerned about CHL holders, they just don't want Joe Deerhunter coming in with a loaded rifle while he's shopping for a new 'scope or something.

Snake Doctor wrote:I've often thought about this. There is no sign (I think) at Red's South Austin, but when I've talked to Red before, I know he is adamant about ALL guns coming in unloaded and with slides/bolts/actions/whatever in an open and locked position. I've never asked him specifically about whether he minds CHLs carrying into his range/store, but I know he has said in the past that his employees are not allowed to carry.

I did ask about CHL's there, and the answer was an enthusiastic yes, not from Red himself but from one of the old-timers, that they very supportive of CHLers carrying. Just asked that I not draw & shoot at the range, but that (dis)arming in the range was fine. I personally wouldn't disarm in the store though unless I asked specifically at the time.

It's interesting how some people hold gun stores and gun shows to a lower standard than restaurants, movie theaters, non-gun stores and banks.