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Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:41 am
by Mike1951
Re: They're not very friendly in Austin, are they?
by Mike1951 on Thu May 01, 2008 1:13 am

But in the previous year, fiscal 2006, the numbers were 67,843 issued and 388 denied, or 68231 total processed.

I figure that means an increase of 34% in the number of applications processed.

Since the legislature only meets in odd years, their budget was probably calculated based on the 2005 and 2006 fiscal years.

So the increase in applications processed should probably reflect even more than 34%, since 2005 numbers weren't available on the DPS website.]
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 62984.html
Texas caught off guard as more seek handgun permits
Some point to anti-gun politics as applications rise 39 percent and swamp the state


By JANET ELLIOTT
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau


RESOURCES
ONE STEP FORWARD, TWO STEPS BACK
During the week that ended Friday, DPS said, it processed 1,043 original and renewal applications but received 1,871 requests.


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AUSTIN — Demand for concealed handgun licenses has risen nearly 40 percent in Texas in a year, an increase being attributed to many factors, even presidential politics.

Though the exact cause may be unclear, what's certain is that the spike in applications has caught the Department of Public Safety unprepared.

The state is taking a month longer than the 60 days allowed by law to process original applications and 80 days longer on renewals, which are supposed to be handled within 45 days.

"We're trying really hard, but there have been delays because of the tremendous increase in applications," said Tela Mange, a DPS spokeswoman.

She said the department is paying overtime and hiring temporary workers to reduce the backlog. Mange said she doesn't know why applications last month were 39 percent higher than they were in April 2007.

But Ross Bransford, who trains 1,000 Texans a year to qualify for a concealed handgun license, said he believes the looming 2008 election is a big factor.

"People are not sure what's going to happen after the election," said Bransford, who owns Austin-based CHL-Texas.com. "Both Democratic candidates are anti-gun in one fashion or another."

He said Sen. Barack Obama, who is leading the race for the nomination, is a "friend of (Democratic Senator) Ted Kennedy, and that scares everybody to death."

Other instructors mentioned an increased interest from young adults after last year's Virginia Tech massacre and recent changes in Texas law about carrying concealed weapons.

In 2007, lawmakers granted privacy to the 258,000 license holders by closing records that had been public since the concealed handgun law passed in 1995. They also extended the so-called "castle doctrine" defense to persons who use a gun to protect their vehicles, in addition to their homes.


45 minutes on hold
Alice Tripp, legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association, the state affiliate of the National Rifle Association, said she hears daily from frustrated members about the delay in getting licenses.

She said some have been put on hold for 45 minutes when they called DPS to inquire about their licenses.

"They are really quite alarmed and annoyed," Tripp said. "They sat on hold, and had gotten no answers."

Last month, she took her group's concerns to a meeting with DPS officials, Gov. Rick Perry's legislative director Ken Armbrister and House Law Enforcement Chairman Joe Driver.

Driver, R-Garland, is demanding weekly reports from DPS on license applications. During the week that ended Friday, DPS said it processed 1,043 original and renewal applications but received 1,871 requests.

"I was very surprised at how far behind they are," Tripp said.


Renewal every 5 years
She said she can't understand why it is taking so long for renewals, because people with handgun licenses are continually checked against criminal databases and other records. Licenses must be renewed every five years.

"If you find yourself subject to a protective order, someone will knock on your door and take your license," she said.

Mange urged license applicants to use the DPS Web site to enter basic information required on the permit. Tripp said her members who have used the Web site tell her it does not speed the process.

Tripp said there is no grace period for expired handgun licenses.

Everyone seeking a license, and certain renewals, must take classes that cover safety, state law and conflict resolution. They must submit fingerprints, which DPS sends to the FBI for a background check, and a photo. They must carry their license when they carry a concealed handgun. There are some restrictions as to where concealed handguns can be carried in Texas.


Applicant's suspicions

Ron Freeman, a CPA who lives in Wimberley, said he was asked twice to redo fingerprints that were taken at a local constable's office.

He finally agreed to DPS' suggestion that he use an electronic fingerprint device run by a private company.

"I have a feeling that the Department of Public Safety is using the process as a filter to keep people from even having a gun," said Freeman, 60, who moved to Texas from Arizona last year.

Marsha McCartney, who represents the North Texas Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said she was surprised to learn that so many more Texans are applying to carry guns.

However, McCartney said she is more concerned about an expected battle in the next legislative session over whether the law should be changed to allow college students to carry guns on campus.

janet.elliott@chron.com

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:37 am
by pedalman
On my way to Austin this morning, I heard about this on KLBJ-AM radio. Somebody must have squawked loud enough to finally have the media even mention this.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:39 am
by ProudNativeTexican
The thing that is better than the artilce is the comments.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:05 am
by Kalrog
pedalman wrote:On my way to Austin this morning, I heard about this on KLBJ-AM radio. Somebody must have squawked loud enough to finally have the media even mention this.
I heard this one as well. But it was even more slanted against DPS. It was reported that they just decided to make it 90 and 80 days instead of 60 and 45 - no mention of the legally required timeframes. But I know how good reporters do in a subject they aren't familiar with so I chalked it up to that. Got the blood pumping though.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:20 am
by thankGod
Something will need to change. Since the DPS is being overwhelmed by the amount of applicants, they will need to increase staff (budget) or increase processing times. Maybe a compromise between staff and duration will need to take place at the next session of the legislature.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:28 am
by Kalrog
thankGod wrote:... or increase processing times. Maybe a compromise between staff and duration will need to take place at the next session of the legislature.
How do other states get it done so much faster with great regularity? Utah and Florida come to mind...

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:54 am
by LCplMustafa
Part of the reason TDPS might be having trouble with compared to Florida is that Florida has had a couple more years experience issuing CHL. And as for Utah, it appears that they process as many applications a quarter as Texas does a month, so that might be a numbers problem.

http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/Firearm_Statist ... 200801.pdf

There may be a fatal flaw somewhere in my reasoning though.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:35 am
by frankie_the_yankee
I just think it's great that applications are way up. The more Good Guys packing on the street, the safer we all are.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:27 pm
by agbullet2k1
I'm thinking that either someone in DPS or in the legislature figured that they weren't getting anywhere in meetings and decided to call in a favor with the media to get the public's attention and backing. Seriously, top of the front page? I know it's important to us, but to their subscribers as a whole this probably isn't as important as the presidential race or economy. I just think there's something to how this got the greenlight.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:45 pm
by Fast Mopar
I understand the frustration about the long delays, state bureaucracy, etc. But, every morning I thank God that I live in a place where I can have a CHL, even if it now is slower to obtain. I carry every time I leave the house, and I am thankful to legally be able to do it. Instead of worrying about 60 days or 90 days or whatever time to wait for processing, I am much more concerned about the future (as in what might happen in the November election). The second amendment no longer seems like a guaranteed thing any more for us. I hope that I will be able to renew mine when the time comes.

I must admit, though, I was surprised to see it on the front page today. I am glad that so many people here are obtaining CHL's.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:31 pm
by striker55
I agree Fast Mopar, I'm originally from NY and only had a pistol permit for hunting, fishing and target shooting. The best I could do to own a handgun. I'm glad I got my CHL, here in TX, when I did.

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:17 pm
by anygunanywhere
If the current political climate is one of the reasons for the increase, DPS had better hold onto their britches.

November isn't here yet!

Anygunanywhere

Re: Houston Chronicle article on CHL delays

Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:55 pm
by Cuda
It was a good sight to see the artical in the paper, also to see this site mentioned. I just hope all of the people making this fuss remeber in November why they made this fuss. I for one like the rest of us in here want to keep my rights handed down to us. "With out the Second amendment how can you protect the first." I just hope there are alot more people who wake up and see this at election time.

The world is getting more violent, and as gas prices and food prices and food shortages grow ... so will crime and the bad guy will grow even more daring and willing to take what you worked hard to earn. Lets keep up the good fight. Stand up to protect your self you are the only one you can truelly count on in the heat of battle.