Clinton Redux?
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:30 am
Now isn't that special?Obama promised change but picking insiders
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Now isn't that special?Obama promised change but picking insiders
Nicolai wrote:One of BHO's apologists was on a news interview show 20 Nov 08--interviewer asked something like, "if all BHO appoints are retreads from Clinton, where's the 'change'?" (I paraphrased the question.)
Answer was something like, "we've got to have folks who know how Washington works, so we can hit the ground running." (And "rule" from day one?)
Not my idea of "change," but I didn't believe his campaign oratory anyway.
Wilson was a lightweight compared to Lincoln.Dragonfighter wrote:For those who don't think it can happen, we have had a fascist president. Woodrow Wilson had people censured and imprisoned for expression of anti-war/anti-administration sentiments. Fourth amendment rights were suspended under the broad war powers he had been granted and many homes were invaded to root out those that were potential dissidents.
He was a republican too.KBCraig wrote:Wilson was a lightweight compared to Lincoln.Dragonfighter wrote:For those who don't think it can happen, we have had a fascist president. Woodrow Wilson had people censured and imprisoned for expression of anti-war/anti-administration sentiments. Fourth amendment rights were suspended under the broad war powers he had been granted and many homes were invaded to root out those that were potential dissidents.
Lincoln imprisoned Maryland legislators to prevent them from voting for secession. (DC would have been completely surrounded by CSA territory.) He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, and imprisoned 18,000 people who expressed sympathy for the South. He spent money without congressional approval, in direct violation of the Constitution. He threatened judges who might rule against him. He also accepted the unconstitutionally-created state of West Virginia, to give him a majority vote.
And the emancipation proclamation, for all its trumpets blaring, didn't free a single slave.
It took me a long time to come to grips with the reality of Lincoln, versus the popular myth that is taught in school. He truly was the most evil of our presidents, far worse than FDR or Wilson.
You are absolutely correct sir. The Civil War wasn't about slavery either, but federal opression of states rights and free trade in particular...the feds having added confiscatory tariffs on states' exports. Also 95% of southerners never owned a slave, Lee had freed his yet Grant's wife kept hers for years until the the SCOTUS made it outright illegal. Many of the restrictive gun laws that are on our books (prior to CHL) from the reconstruction and limiting citizen's ability to carry.KBCraig wrote:Wilson was a lightweight compared to Lincoln.Dragonfighter wrote:For those who don't think it can happen, we have had a fascist president. Woodrow Wilson had people censured and imprisoned for expression of anti-war/anti-administration sentiments. Fourth amendment rights were suspended under the broad war powers he had been granted and many homes were invaded to root out those that were potential dissidents.
Exactly right. Unfortunately that's not what they brainwash...I mean teach in public school now days. It's no surprise things have continued down this path. One things for certain, the future ain't going to be boring.Dragonfighter wrote: You are absolutely correct sir. The Civil War wasn't about slavery either, but federal opression of states rights and free trade in particular...the feds having added confiscatory tariffs on states' exports. Also 95% of southerners never owned a slave, Lee had freed his yet Grant's wife kept hers for years until the the SCOTUS made it outright illegal. Many of the restrictive gun laws that are on our books (prior to CHL) from the reconstruction and limiting citizen's ability to carry.