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I heard on the radio this morn that the (punk?) rock band 9 Inch Nails was protesting the Feds' use of one of their songs down at Gitmo as a psychological tactic on the tenants, and I got to thinking that if my music was sufficiently horrible that governments used it as weaponry on the enemy, I'll probably just shut up and hope nobody ever heard from me again.

Sodbuster wrote:I heard on the radio this morn that the (punk?) rock band 9 Inch Nails was protesting the Feds' use of one of their songs down at Gitmo as a psychological tactic on the tenants, and I got to thinking that if my music was sufficiently horrible that governments used it as weaponry on the enemy, I'll probably just shut up and hope nobody ever heard from me again.

Not punk. Nominated for 12 Grammy Awards, and won 2. Personally, I don't listen to that stuff (anymore), but just because music is loud and abrasive doesn't mean it's "horrible". The guy is actually quite talented and a pioneer in the field of electronic and industrial music. It just happens to be the kind of stuff you don't want to listen to at high-volume while you're trying to sleep.

I'm proud for your opinion kind sir, I just heard what they were talking about and in my opinion it was indeed horrible. I really could care less about any awards either.

There are musical laws and when you break musical laws it is called lawlessness. Rock Bands and many Country Bands break these Musical laws in their sliding of the notes. People always live their music.

carlson1 wrote:There are musical laws and when you break musical laws it is called lawlessness. Rock Bands and many Country Bands break these Musical laws in their sliding of the notes. People always live their music.

I don't know... I think I would respectfully disagree with the "note sliding" part. I think the only real applicable law of music is taste, and that is very much up to the listener. Consequently, the music we choose to listen to does tend to say something about the person we are. So to that extent, you are right about the idea that people live their music choice. Where I would differ is that I think the music is a reflection of the person more so than the person reflects the music.

I've been a guitar player for 45 years, and over those years I've played a gamut of different styles, although for the past 8 or 10 years, I've pretty much exclusively played contemporary Christian worship music. The previous worship band I played with back in California included a guy who could and did occasionally play his pedal steel during worship services. You can't slide a note any bigger than that, and it was beautiful. Claude DeBussy did some pretty weird stuff in his day (he died in 1918) with dissonance and strange meters, but he is considered one of the great composers of his day - and yet appreciation for his music is an acquired taste.

My dad always said that my brother's music was a form of torture; now it appears that the liberal media is agreeing with my conservative pops. Who-da thunk?

I listen to everything, well almost I dont care for rap or stuff with language I cant understand I play guitar, so I listen to all sorts of music for idea's, and just to hear different styles.

Even a slow country song will get on your nerves after a while if you play it over and over at a high volume.

Never cared for Nine Inch Nails, just not really my style.. You'd be surprised about a lot of the back grounds on hard rock singers, just because it's hard stuff, constant screaming, it's just how they choose to express themselves.. Look at the lyrics, thats where it counts..

Kinda off topic here but.. Here's an example ( granted, it's not country, but it's not "evil" either or however else you'd choose to describe it )..


Numb and broken, here I stand alone
Wondering what were the last words I said to you
Hoping, praying that I'll find a way to turn back time
Can I turn back time?

What would I give to behold
The smile, the face of love?
You never left me
The rising sun will always speak your name

Numb and broken, here I stand alone
Wondering what were the last words I said to you
It won't be long, we'll meet again

What would I give to behold
The smile, the face of love?
You never left me
The rising sun will always speak your name

It won't be long, we'll meet again
Your memory is never passing
It won't be long, we'll meet again
My love for you is everlasting

I mourn for those who never knew you

It won't be long, we'll meet again
Your memory is never passing
It won't be long, we'll meet again
My love for you is everlasting

Thats " Rose Of Sharyn " by Killswitch Engage. IIRC it's a song dedicated I want to say his mom ( could be wrong ), after she passed. Now go listen to the song, you'd think it was some evil stuff just by the way it sounds.. Sounds horrible to most of you I'm sure, but at least give it a listen to the 1 minute mark ( the intro stinks if ya ask me, but later on during the song are my favorite parts, starting at 2:02 ). He actually has a really good voice, I wish they would put out a acoustic album. It's not a sound for everyone, I dont expect any of ya to like it, but often times things arent as bad as they sound.. My music sounds nothing like that, but has inspired much of it..
Lower you speaker volume
http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/Kills ... n--2167015" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another thats pretty mild compared to the last http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/Skill ... --38853590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The musical part of it I like a lot.

I have many more examples of songs similar to that, some with a milder sound, some harder.. It's just how the artist chooses to express it...

Now you want to use music for a psychological tactic?? Turn the Dixie Chicks on, 5 minutes of that I'd admit to anything if you'd shut it off I need a whole bottle of Tylenol after listening to them..

edit: added link

IIRC, one of the last songs that Johnny Cash recorded was "Hurt" which was written by 9 Inch Nails.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go[/youtube]

He died soon after it was released.

I didn't know that NIN wrote that? Wow... Never followed Johnny Cash much, like his music though. I dont follow NIN's either..


Good example though... Great song, simple to play too

NIN is def. not "punk" as those that subscribe that genre would consider it. I'm not a huge fan but have 2 song of theirs I like: the one previously covered by cash and the others title is Closer and the lyrics cannot be spoken on this forum.

If they're so upset about someone using their music why don't they just get the RIAA lobby to go after them. It seems to be working against thousands of college students trying to build productive lives well enough.

I don't know about Trent Reznor, but I'd be proud to have my music used in such a way!
Listened to a compilation NIN CD this morning.
Love his music. I won't debate music or tastes here.
I bet Trent's problem is that his music is being used for "torture" which he may have a fundamental opposition to. His work, he's allowed to have a say in how it's used.

unless of course the US Gov paid him royalties to broadcast his stuff. Oh, wait, they didn't? well, Ol' Trent may have a case....

DoubleJ wrote:I'd be proud to have my music used in such a way!

You'd be proud to have your work used to facilitate the proven ineffective means of interrogation that cause great pain, harm and sometimes death to people? You're an odd duck.

you miss the laughing smilie at the end of that phrase?
can't make a joke about anything around here without someone getting their panties in a twist...

atxgun wrote:

DoubleJ wrote:I'd be proud to have my music used in such a way!

You'd be proud to have your work used to facilitate the proven ineffective means of interrogation that cause great pain, harm and sometimes death to people? You're an odd duck.

I am pretty sure no one has ever been irreparably harmed or killed by being subjected to bad music.

Could be worse. Could be Barry Manilow. http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 83&t=20396" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;